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Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO 08-CV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO Plaintiff vs VOLUME II OF I JEFFREY EPSTEIN Defendant Related cases I I VIDEO-CONFERENCED AND VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE NO Tuesday October p.m Australian Avenue South Suite West Palm Beach Florida Reported By Cynthia Hopkins RPR FPR Notary Public State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Page PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of APPEARANCES On behalf of the Plaintiff L.M and E.W MICHAEL WHEELER ESQUIRE RO1HSTEIN ROSENFELDT ADLER I East Las Olas Boulevard Suite Fort Lauderdale Florida Phone On behalf of Jane Does I through ADAM HOROWTIZ ESQUIRE STUARTS MERMELSTEIN ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN HOROWITZ A Biscayne Boulevard Suite Miami Florida Phone E-mail Ahorowitz sexabuseattomey.com On behalf of C.M.A RICHARD HORACE WJLLITS ESQUIRE RICHARD WlLLITS P.A I 0th Avenue North Suite404 Lake Worth Florida Phone Via Telephone On behalf of the Defendant Jeffrey Epstein ROBERT CRITTON JR ESQUIRE MARKT LlJITIER ESQUIRE BURMAN CRITTON LlJITIER COLEMAN LLP Banyan Boulevard Suite400 West Palm Beach Florida Phone ALSO PRESENT Jeffiey Epstein via video conference Jeff Abbott Videographer Visual Evidence Incorporated INDEX Page Page WITNESS DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS JANE DOE NO CONTINUED BY MR LUTTIER EXHIBITS EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION PAGE DEFENDANTS EX I Proposal for Settlement DEFENDANTS EX Answers to Interrogatories DEFENDANTS EX Petition for Injunction DEFENDANTS EX Handwritten Note DEFENDANTS EX Psychological/Social History Page CONTINUED DIRECT EXAMINATION TIIE VIDEOGRAPHER This is the beginning of Tape Number Were backon the record at BY MR LUTTIER I think when we broke I was talking about your fourth visit with Mr Epstein What occurred on the fourth visit A Went there to get give a massage that Sarah brought me upstairs MR CRITTON You need to excuse me just a moment You need to hit the button TIIE COURT REPORTER Thank you MR CRITTON Thank you MR MERMELSTEIN All right MR LUTTIER And is this other guy calling in or MR CRITTON No no its part of the video feed MR LUTTIER No but this whoever was on this Willits TIIE COURT REPORTER He said he was going Page to call back in MR CRITTON Was he going to call back MR WHEELER Yes THE COURT REPORTER He did say he was going to call back Did he MR WHEELER He said he would call right back MR CRITTON All right Well were still going to start BY MR LUITIER Okay Go ahead fourth visit A Whenever the massage he was like not this time he was on the phone the first time Like it was more conversation between me and Mr Epstein Did you remain dressed the whole time A Yeah They I took my shirt like it progressively got worse I am talking about the fourth visit A I think I took my shirt off On the fourth visit A Yeah like or MR MERMELSTEIN If you remember THE WI1NESS Yeah I dont remember BY MR LUITIER So you dont really know if you were Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A I remember after the first like four visits it from after like after like the first four visits it progressively got worse starting with taking my shirt off and taking my bra off and taking my pants off taking my underwear off It just progressively got worse I cant I dont remember exactly fifth visit sixth visit seventh visit eighth visit ninth visit tenth visit I dont remember And you dont know when the fourth visit gh was A No And you dont know when the fifth visit gh was A Unh-unh MR MERMELSTEIN You are asking specific dates MR LUITIER Yep BY MR LUITIER You need to A I do remember it was my sophomore year You remember specifically A My first visit My first visit was No I said the fifth visit A Oh towards the lets see It got Page progressively worse Telephone interruption MR WILLITS Is this the deposition MR LUTTIER Yes we just started MR WILLITS Okay Willits here MR LUTTIER All right MR WILLITS Im going to put the mute button on MR LUTTIER Okay MR MERMELSTEIN Do you remember the question THE WITNESS No sorry BY MR LUTTIER You dont recall when the fourth visit was do you the date A Well if it progressively got worse after the fourth visit then probably beginning of my junior year Beginning of my junior The fourth visit was the beginning of A It must have been the beginning of my junior year It progressively got worse My question was you dont remember when the fourth visit was A No It was the beginning of my junior year Page The fourth visit was the beginning of your junior year And how do you know it was the beginning of your junior year A Because I know after the fourth visit that thats the beginning of my junior year is whenever Mr Epstein started things started getting to the point where I would take my shirt off and so on And how do you know that it was the beginning of your junior year when you began to take your shirt off A Because in the after the fourth visit I would start taking I took my shirt off and then from after the fourth visit after I took my shirt off the fifth visit I would take my pants off and then Id be in my bra and underwear and then the next visit I would be I would take my bra off and I would just be in my underwear And then after that visit I would take my underwear off and then after that visit it was him fingering me or him using a vibrator on me And then after that visit was him fingering me or him using a vibrator and fingering me MR MERMELSTEIN He is trying to get the time frame THE WITNESS Yeah Page MR LUTIIER My question was how do you know MR MERMELSTEIN So if you don remember the exact time or the date thats THE WI1NESS Yeah I dont know BY MR LUTIIER You say it was the beginning of your junior year when you first took your shirt off right A Yeah How do you know thats when it was and it wasnt the middle of your junior year or the end of your junior year A Because I remember things got sexual it was like the middle or the beginning and the middle ofmy junior year Was it the beginning or the middle A It was like October October like right before the beginning of the new year How do you know that A Because thats whenever like things got more like like more like sexual I guess I dont know Well Im asking you how you can identify that things Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A I dont know what the date is Im sorry Youve got to wait for me to ask the question How can you identify when things to to use your words got more sexual and say that that happened in the middle of your junior year What is is there an event that you recall A Yeah Well what what set of circumstances allows you to conclude that that happened at the beginning of your junior year or in October A He started using a vibrator on me as opposed to March of the next year A Because he started using a vibrator on me Okay But what event lets you recall that that that is the use of a vibrator happened at the beginning of your junior year for example A Because you dont forget something like that Well do you have it recorded anywhere A No And during this deposition you told us you cannot remember dates right A Not specific dates no So would it be a fair statement to say that you dont know exactly when this happened Page MR MERMELSTEIN Objection She said that BY MR LUTilER Correct A Yeah Could have been MR MERMELSTEIN She said she doesnt remember the date BY MR LUTilER at the end of your junior year was the first time it A No I know it wasnt the end of my junior year How do know it wasnt the end of your junior year A Because you dont forget something as significant like that happens to you like that Well wait what youre calling is significant is removing your shirt to give a massage is that what youre calling significant A No using a vibrator on you MR MERMELSTEIN Lets take a minute Lets take a minute Okay Okay Take your time Let us know when youre ready Take your time Page TIIE WITNESS Do you have a napkin Thank you MR MERMELSTEIN Youre okay Youre okay MR CRITTON Let me just put on the record we have been pretty good about the legal objections and everyone has been very restrictive about the you know stick with form and if its leading or stuff You dont need to tell her you know if you dont remember you dont remember I assume that thats probably what shes been told before So lets stick with form and what your legal objection is as distinct from coaching by any of us including me and any other You kno_w we have been pretty good on these witnesses and shes no different than any other witness in this case MR MERMELSTEIN Okay I was just trying to help She wasnt understanding the question that was asked MR CRITTON Shes been here for two hours three hours She understands really well whats going on So you know you Page havent been here Stuart She she knows the drill so BY MR LUTTIER So can you tell me specifically when the first time you removed your top was A No I dont know the exact date Was it more than ten times after you had gone to Mr Epstein A No its after like the fourth visit And how can you conclude it was after four visits as opposed to after ten visits A Because I remember going there the beginning to the fourth visit and thats why I went back because it wasnt where I had to take my shirt off Yeah Now on whatever visit it was when you first removed your top how did that occur What was the sequence of events A Nothing like he would-what do you mean the sequence of events Well when you went on this whatever visit it was that you claim was the first time you removed your top did you first of all did you voluntarily go to the house on that occasion A Yeah Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Did you go up to the room as you had done on all the prior occasions A Yeah And was Mr Epstein when you got there was he there when you got there A No he was no the room was empty but the massage table was there So when you got up there were you fully clothed A Yeah What were you wearing A Different clothes every single time Like shorts jeans tank tops Im talking about this event that you recall now that you say you recall the first time you removed your top What were you wearing that time A I dont exactly remember what outfit I was wearing You dont because you cannot specifically pinpoint this occasion can you MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUTTIER All you know is at some point in time you took your top off isnt that right Page A Yeah And is it fair to be honest with everybody you dont know if it was after five visits or ten visits You just know at some point A It was at the beginning MR ME LSTEIN Objection to the form THE WI1NESS At the beginning of the when I first started MR MERMELSTEIN Asked and answered Go ahead BYMR LUITIER All right You dont you cant really tell us can you A I dont know the exact date but I know it was in the beginning after like the fourth visit Well all right All right So at some point Mr Epstein comes in the room and youre going to give him a massage is that right A Uh-huh Youve got to say yes A Yes So how is it that you got your you took your top off A Well after going there the first couple Page of times he was just more friendly and talk more talkative I he asked me to take my top off It was And what did you say A Yeah Did you say no A No He asked you right A Uh-huh What did he say specifically A Will you take your shirt off And what did you say to him A Yeah All right You could have said no right A Yes All right So you said yes and what did you do take your shirt off A Yes And what did you have on under your shirt A A bra All right And then what did you do give him a massage A Yeah Did you do anything else on that occasion A No Page All right Did you put your shirt on when you got done A Yeah Then did you leave A Yeah Did you get paid bucks A Yeah By the way this money thatyou made doing this did you keep a record of how much you made A No Whynot A I dont know I didnt Did you report it on your tax return A Tax return Yeah tax return A Yeah I know what that is But at that time no I didnt even think about that I didnt think that Why didnt you report the income you were making MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and answered MR LUTTIER No she didnt answer that BY MR LUTTIER Why didnt you report the income that you Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page were making Murphy to Mr Epstein be a significant event in your A I didnt even know anything about taxes life or was it just a casual thing I was years old years old A I thought at that point it was casual Well you were at least Okay So who went with you when you took A I didnt know anything about Lauren Murphy there You were at least by then right A Just me and her A Yeah I didnt have a job I played Who drove soccer I didnt I didnt know anything about A I think she did I dont remember taxes or anything else like that And what did you tell Where did you put this money A I didnt have a vehicle A I spent it And what did you tell Lauren Murphy before Did you put it in the bank you took her there A No I dont even think I had a bank A I dont remember account And what did you tell her about what to So did you get cash expect A Yeah A I dont remember What did you spend the money on By that point in time what had you been A Clothes doing with Mr Epstein during your massages And did you tell did you split it up A I dont remember when I when she first with your friends went so I dont know what I was doing with A Split what up with my friends Mr Epstein The money that you were getting paid for Well had you taken your top off yet for this Mr Epstein A No why would I no A I dont know because I dont know when I Did you the bucks that you got when first brought her there Page Page you took Lauren Murphy there did you give her part Did you tell Lauren at that time Lauren of that was your best friend A No A No She was one ofmy friends that I just What did you spend the money on that you met got paid for taking Lauren Murphy there Oh she was one of your friends A Went to the mall with her and went A Uh-huh shopping You wanted to be honest with her didnt With and she had the money she had just you and tell her what to expect gotten from Mr Epstein A If youre friends A Yeah Right Did you guys have a good time shopping at A Yeah the mall that time So what did you tell her about A Yeah We were A I dont remember MR MERMELSTEIN Objection I mean did you just run into her one da argumentative and say oh do you want to jump in my car with me THE WI1NESS having a good time We and ride over to somebodys house went shopping A Did I say that No BY MR LUITIER Well what did you tell her Did you go right after Lauren Murphy had A I dont remember had been to Mr Epsteins oh that first occasion to Did you tell her what she was going to do give him a massage A I dont remember A Im sure I dont remember I know we Did you even tell her a massage was went shopping with the money I dont know if it involved was right afterward or if it was the next day A I dont remember our conversation about Well would would you taking Lauren it Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Did you tell her were going to go BY MR LUTIIER fishing Can we assume that you told her that MR MERMELSIBIN Objection nothing bad was going to happen argumentative A I dont know what I told her so I dont TIIE WITNESS Did I tell her that we were know going fishing No Do you know whether or not you were honest BY MR LUTIIER with her Im trying to Im trying to help me A Yeah Well I dont know like I dont understand what how it is that that you get understand the question Like I dont understand Lauren Murphy and take her to Jeffrey Epsteins what you re asking Can you ask it again house Why why did you do that Yeah Is there something you dont A Why why did I bring her there understand about the word honest And I can Yeah understand if its A Because Jeffrey wanted asked me if I A Yeah I understand would bring somebody another girl He said I will Do you know what honest means give you like Im giving Haley Robson money to A Yeah bring new girls up to the house And he said I It means to tell the truth will if you bring in if you do if he asked me A Uh huh to do the same thing that Haley was doing Okay Did you tell your friend Lauren So what did you do just bump into Murphy the truth before you took her to psteins Lauren Murphy walking around the halls of your MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form school one afternoon 1HE WI1NESS I am sure A I asked her if she wanted to go and she BY MR LUTIIER said yeah And you thought it was okay right Oh so now you remember that you asked A There was a at that time Page Page A Well if she went there apparently Yep Let me finish my question Now you recall A I think all of Royal Palm Beach High that you asked Lauren Murphy if she wanted to go to School was going at that time so yeah Mr Epsteins correct Thats not my question A I took her there I didnt drive I A Yes don know I dont know if I drove I dont know You thought it was okay You thought it if she drove but she went there and was the right thing to do right Well did you ask her if she wanted to go A At that time I thought it was I didnt A I dont remember the conversation think it was a bad thing I didnt think I What Im trying to find out is was she thought it was normal just in the car with you and you guys were heading So you thought it was a good oh you off to McDonalds thought it was normal A I dont remember A Not normal no Irh sorry I take that and deviated and decided to drive to back Not normal but there was a lot of girls that Mr Epsteins or did you give her some advanced were going and so it was something not something knowledge that what were going to do is go to that I dont know It was I dont even know Mr Epsteins how to explain it to tell you the truth A I dont remember our conversation how I You were happy to do it to get bucks got her to go to Jeffrey Epsteins I am guessing werent you And of course I had asked her if I took her there A No I was making at that time not MR MERMELSTEIN Dont guess making yeah I was happy 1HE WI1NESS I dont know And you didnt think there was anything MR MERMELSTEIN Dont speculate wrong with it right 1HE Wl1NESS I dont know A Not the way it started no Mr Epst in nev asked you to do a single Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page thing that you didnt agree to do did he automatically before you did the massage you took A Every once in a while yeah he would your top off without Mr Epstein even askirig you to And when I wouldnt do it he said Jane Doe No do that whats wrong with you You have two different A After the first time yes personalities Jane Doe No short fonn and Jane You did it you were able when Doe No like meaning like I would do one thing Mr Epstein came into the room were you already one minute and then I was like no no I go And without your top on he was like oh well whats wrong with you Do A No you have two different personalities So it wasnt even the situation that he Listen to my question Mr Epstein never was asking you to take your top off You just asked you to do anything that you didnt agree to voluntarily took it off isn that correct A Yes sometimes he would and I wouldnt MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Would you wait until I ask the question TIIE WITNESS Yeah You cant possibly know what I am going to ask BY MR LUTIIER before I ask it can you Now when you say that or what you A No think was around the fourth time you took your top Mr Epstein never asked you to do anything off And on how many occasions did you do massages that you refused to do did he for Mr Epstein where what you did was you removed A No your top not your bra but just your top No And if you said you didnt want to do A Onetime something Mr Epstein didnt push it did he Just once is that right A No he asked me and I would say no And A Yeah then he would And how can you recall it only happened And then he respected it one time A No and then he would say well why not A Because after that one time of just talcing Page Page He said whats wrong He is like its like you my shirt off every single time I went it was have two different personalities When I would say another piece of clothing that was dropping no he would be like oh well thats your other All right So the next time that you went personality and then he would go I like Jane Doe to Mr Epstein after the time that you took your No short form better top off what occurred And ifhe sic said no he didnt push A After I took my top off then I would take it did he my bra off MR MERMELSIBIN Other than what she just Did he ask you to take your bra off said A Yeah MR LUTIIER Right Did you agree to take it off BY MR LUTIIER A Yeah I mean if you said no I dont want to do Did you tell him no I dont want to take something he didnt make you do it did he my bra off A No but then the next time I went I A Yeah--no All right Im talking about the time So he asked and you said okay right A No,no A Yeah that you say he asked you to do All right And then on that occasion when something you didnt want to do You said no and you took your your top and your bra off did that was the end of it wasnt it anything else happen or did you just do a massage A Yeah A Are you talking about the next time or are So when you took your top off whenever you talking you went to give him a massage and took your top No I am talking about the occasion when off you did that voluntarily correct you first took your bra off A Yeah A No Did there come a time that you went and You just gave him a massage and you picked Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page up another bucks right Didnt he build up your ego A Uh-huh A Yeah All right Now And you didnt think there was anything A Yes sorry wrong with anything that you were doing with you didnt think there was anything Mr Epstein did you wrong with taking your top off the first time you A No took your top off did you And that and ifthere if you did A No think there was something wrong with what you were And Mr Epstein as you said before lunch doing with Mr Epstein you wouldnt have asked your was very nice towards you was he not friend Lauren Murphy to go would you A Yeah A No You you had begun to to get to know him You certainly wouldnt subject your and you would talk with him when you went right friends to something that you didnt think was right A Yeah or dangerous would you You never told him that you didnt want to A No do what you were doing did you Okay Now so there came a time that you A No took your bra off and you did that voluntarily and Okay And you kind of liked Mr Epstein on that occasion did you then give Mr Epstein a didnt you massage topless A He was really nice like friendly A Yeah Never hurt you in any manner physically Anything else happen on that occasion did he A No A Sexually yeah The next time that you went to visit Physically did he ever injure you in any him manner whatsoever A Yeah Page Page A No what occurred Did he ever hit you A My top my bra and my shorts were off A No Do you know that you were wearing shorts Did he ever spit in your face the next time A No A Yeah Did he ever call you any vile names How do you know you were wearing shorts A No A My pants sorry I dont know Like Im Did he ever call you a bitch just saying I was just frustrated with everything A No so it was pants Did he ever call you a whore You dont really know what you were A No wearing do you Did he ever call you a cunt A capris A No Honestly you dont really know what you Ever call you anything like that were wearing do you i A No A No Did he ever physically hurt you in any Okay I appreciate the honesty All you manner whatsoever can really say is that at some point in time when A No you were going to give these massages there came a Did he ever demean you in any manner point in time although you dont know exactly when whatsoever it was that you removed your pants Would that be A Demean you What does that mean a fair statement Yeah say say bad things about you or A It was after it was the fourth time make you feel like you were unintelligent or not First time I took my shirt off second time my bra worthy off Wait fourth fifth sixth it was the A No seventh occasion Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Seventh occasion Now are we into your I mean did you volunteer without him even the latter part of your junior year asking did you do did you volunteer A I after I went there the first time or A Volunteer what after I went there the second time instead of Haley To remove your pants making my appointments he got my number so I would A He asked me and I said yes just make the appointments through Sarah instead of And my question is did you volunteer to Haley so I was going like a lot after my second remove your pants at any point without him asking visit you Well A After the first time that I removed my A It was probably around my can I pants it was just kind of like routine It was finish it was probably around my it was like just like middle oflike my like my junior year like October So now lets go back or like October through January October December A so then the answer to that would be no Yeah January my junior year Is that what you asked Is that whatyou want to Did you and Haley have a little argument hear about the money situation I will cover this Lets go back The A No first time Mr Epstein asked you to remove your bra Did you wonder why you were making your you told us that you removed the bra voluntarily appointments directly with Sarah to go see right Mr Epstein as opposed to through Haley where she A He asked me and yes I did was And you said yes Okay At any point A Because after that did he ask you to take your bra off or getting paid money did you just simply take it off A Because Haley only got paid money for A No I sometimes I would take it off and every new person that she brought So thats why sometimes he would ask me Page Page there were so many girls that had gone there So sometimes you went there and you just Who else did you get paid for bringing took your bra off without him even asking right besides Lauren Murphy A Yeah it was kind of like known thats A Lauren Lauren is the only person that I what you do can remember I dont think I brought anybody else Well he didnt tell you that from now on Okay So there came a time you were whenever you come youre supposed to take your bra performing massages with for Mr Epstein topless off did he Did were there any occasions after the first A No topless massage that you performed a massage for Okay So you just assumed or you said Mr Epstein and you werent topless Im going to part of the experience here is Im A After the first wait sorry Ask that going to take my top and my bra off right question again A Yeah Once you had gone topless the first time Okay So there comes a point in time you was there any massage that you gave him after that say he asks you to remove your pants where you were not topless A Uh-huh A No And you say okay Okay So you say there came a time that A Yeah you gave Mr Epstein a massage and you removed your You didnt tell him no I dont want to do either your shorts or your pants that A Uh-huh A No Is that a yes All right And you removed your pants A Yes sorry that then gave him a massage wearing what And did did you volunteer to do that A My underwear A Did I volunteer What do you mean What kind of underwear were you wearing volunteer A I dont remember Thong I always wear a Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page thong A Yeah but he was like he was different MR MERMELSIBIN Dont speculate If you Now youre by the way when you are remember answer going to see Mr Epstein during this period of time THE WITNESS All I wear I always that youre describing you had a boyfriend didnt thats all I wear is a thong you BY MR LUTTIER A A boyfriend oh and off And this is youre now Which And you told Mr Epstein you had a are you or boyfriend right A I was A Yeah Sixteen okay And then you gave him a Okay And that was this fellow massage that time in your thong Preston Vinyard A Yeah A Uh-huh Anything else happen on that occasion Okay Was he being nice to you too like A No He asked me to take my thong off and Mr Epstein was I said no A I mean we were boyfriend and girlfriend Okay On on the same occasion that he There was moments where he was nice but there was when he first requested you to take your pants off moments where we werent together So no you say on that same occasion he asked you to take Mr Epstein was nice to me your thong off Okay Well you and youre dating A Yeah Preston Vinyard right And you said no A On and off We were never like It was A No one week we are on one week off one week on And he didnt push it right Youre spending the night with A No Preston Vinyard during this period of time Okay So you gave him a massage you got A I was spend at my house Page Page bucks and you left right Were you spending the night A Yeah A No Okay Now are we up over or visits with Preston Vinyard at any time during by now the period of time youve described thus far while A rm sure you were doing these massages for Mr Epstein So you have made what bucks doing A Spending the night with him no I stayed this by now right in my house A Probably I dont I dont have a Now do you know we took Mr Vinyard calculator deposition yesterday Well times would be A No A Yeah You were having sex with Mr Vinyard Was that the most money youd ever made during this time that you were giving massages to A Yeah Mr Ep tein werent you You liked the money didnt you A I had gone to Mr Epsteins before I had MR MERMELSTEIN Objection started physically doing anything with Preston argumentative Were talking about now youve described BY MR LUITIER that you were in the in your junior year of high Did you like the money school A Yeah A Yeah I was You kept going back to get the money I just want to make sure were clear didnt you Which would be what calendar year the junior year A That and like he was always like promising of high school me things and like friendly to me A I graduated Well you you had all kinds of friends didnt you A Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Okay That would be the school A Yeah year right junior year of high school A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Again you know we have That is from about August of to June a standing objection here pursuant to Federal of is that right Evidence on questions of sexual conduct A Yeah junior year yeah with persons other than Epstein So youre Now its a fact is it not that by the getting into an area here that that I am going beginning of your junior year by the beginning of to have to direct her not to answer I am lets say August of03 you were having sexual warning you relations with a Preston Vinyard werent you MR LUTTIER Well I dont I dont A Yeah think theres a court order that prohibits us Didnt have any sexual relations with from doing anything I think there are some Mr Epstein did you subsequent orders that have come out that A No pretty clearly indicate that its an area of Okay And so getting naked in front of a appropriate inquiry and certainly after man was not a problem for you right You had done Mr Klimans inquiry its fair game but you that before know so thats our position A Yeah BY MR LUTTIER Okay And were you doing things with Okay Lets go back to Mr Vinyard before your soph your junior year of MR CRITTON Wait a minute I dont know high school that you never did with Mr Epstein whether are you instructing her not just A With Preston so the record Yeah MR LUTTIER No she answered that A I met him like I met him my sophomore question year I met Mr Epstein before I met Preston MR MERMELSTEIN I dont I dont think Page Page That wasnt my question Were you doing there was a question she hasnt answered So I things with Mr Vinyard before your junior year of was just stopping him from the next question I high school that you never did with Mr Epstein guess A I dont remember MR LUTTIER Well come back to that in a Well you had sexual intercourse with minute Mr Vinyard before your junior year of high school BY MR LUTTIER didnt you Had you been naked in front of any other A I dont remember I remember I waited for male person other than Preston Vinyard before the like a while before I had sexual intercourse with first time you took your bra off in front of Mr Vinyard Mr Epstein Well I just asked you five questions ago A Naked whether or not you had had sexual relations with Yeah naked Mr Vinyard A No Preston no A I said yeah Had you been topless in front of any other before you started your junior year of male person before the first time you took your bra high school and you said yes off in front of Mr Epstein other than A Yeah Preston Vinyard Okay What do you understand the word A No sexual relations to mean Are you did you are you claiming you A Intercourse means sexual lost your virginity to Preston Vinyard Okay So Mr Vinyard had taken his penis A Yeah and inserted it in your vagina before your junior Okay On the occasion that you first year of high school isnt that right removed your pants and giving Mr Epstein a massage A Yeah I think so yeah did anything else occur on that occasion Had you given him oral sex before your A Wait Repeat that question Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page On the first time you took your pants off Thats when you were at Lynn University and you were giving Mr Epstein a massage in your A Yeah thong did anything else occur during that massage Okay Did you ever tell anybody that you other than just a massage were having a good time at Mr Epsteins A No A I dont I dont know I dont All right Is it possible you did A He asked me to take my underwear off and MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form I said no THE WITNESS Maybe I dont know Okay BYMR.LUITIER A Did anything else occurred In fact when you were doing it not now All right Did there come a time that you that you filed a lawsuit but back when it was going came back after that massage and gave Mr Epstein on you did tell people that you were having a good another massage time at Mr Epstein didnt you A Yeah MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form Why did you come back THE WITNESS No I didnt I mean no A I dont know whos going to like go out and mom and dad Isnt it true that you contacted Sarah and guess what No told her you were looking for more work BY MR LUITIER A No Well did you tell your mom and dad about Do you deny that you ever contacted Sarah this by the way and asked if you could come give Mr Epstein a A Yeah massage When did you tell them about this A Ifl called her and asked A When everything was going on whenever Yeah so whenever Jeffrey when cops were getting involved A She always called me whenever she was in and the lawyers and FBI Page Page town I never knew when Jeffrey was in town Well when was the first time you told Listen carefully to my question Are you your mother about this denying A I dont remember Probably freshman year A I dont remember I dont think I want in college to say no because I dont think I did but I dont After you had a visit from the Palm Beach remember and I dont know Police Department Isnt it well I mean would you have A No I dont remember I dont remem1 er any reason to call Mr Epstein other than his right now if number other than to schedule a time to come give Which is it him a massage A it was my freshman year in college I A Wait What was that dont know Would you have any reason to call Is it no or I dont know Mr Epstein other than A I dont know A No When did you first tell your dad about it to schedule a massage A I dont know A No Was it after the Palm Beach Police visited Youre aware that your cellphone records you can be subpoenaed right A I dont know A Yeah Isnt it true you only told your folks Is there any other reason why after you thought it was going to come out Mr Epsteins phone numbers would appear on your A Yeah cellphone Why didnt you want your folks to know A He rented me he rented me a car what you had been doing for the last according to And that was when you couple of years A My freshman year in college A I dont know It isnt something that I Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page would tell my parents Your parents were good to you werent they A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection BY MR LUTIIER They raised you well didnt they MR MERMELSTEIN Objection THE WI1NESS Yeah BY MR LUTIIER Taught you the difference between right and wrong A Uh-huh Yeah Sorry Did you have any religion when you were brought up A Uh-huh What religion are you A Catholic Roman Catholic A Witness nods head If you could is that a yes A Yes Did you go to church when you were a kid A Yeah Did you go to church right on through Page Page on Sunday A No Did you have any A When I would go home and visit family and stuff like that we would go together as a family Okay Your mom and your dad and you A Yeah Did they provide well for you Did they give you the you know food clothing and shelter when you were throughout your high school days A Yeah Did you want for anything By that I mean did you ever have anything that you wanted that they wouldnt give to you or couldnt give to you A I mean I never really like asked for much I was always playing sports Maybe I would ask for a pair of soccer cleats and dad would give me You were a big soccer player werent you A Yeah Youve been a big soccer player all your life havent you A Uh-huh Yes You played high-level competitive soccer your whole life Page college A Yeah A No And by high-level competitive soccer you Did there come a time you stopped going to were you were always a member of what we would call church travel teams were you not A I was traveling a lot for soccer so A Uh-huh yes soccer like sometimes whenever we were out And the travel team was something beyond somewhere or we werent going every Sunday like I just playing in the city league This was the best was when I was younger of the best that would be on travel teams isnt But if you didnt go to church it was only that right because you were out of town A Yes A Yeah out of town or at a soccer game at And you would travel did you travel all like in the morning over the State playing soccer tournaments Are you still a Roman Catholic A Yes A Yeah And for how long did you do that Huh A I dont know Couple of couple of years A Yeah Okay While you were in high school or I mean you didnt give up your religion before you were in high school sometime along the way It was just that if you A Before I was in high school were traveling for soccer and you couldnt make Okay And then you went to high school church you didnt go and played soccer throughout high school A Uh-huh A Yes But when you were at down at Lynn Kept did you keep playing soccer in A I go to church every once in a while now travel leagues even while you were in high school too A Yes a nn si ty to ur ay i lymp i cs i el pm en te a am f.i Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page as well did you not A Yes Dad volunteered for all these soccer events that you had did he not A.Y They would go on all these soccer events with you A Yes Okay When you went you went to Royal Palm High School That was a school that didnt require you to wear a unifonn did it A No You always had nice clothes though that you could wear to go to school A Yeah Always got fed well A Yeah Always had a warm bed to stay in A Yes Did there come a point in time that you and your parents fell apart A Yes And about when was that A About my sophomore year in high school And was that about the time you took up Page with this fellow Preston Vinyard A Thats when I started going to Jeffrey Epsteins Well you actually had taken up with Preston Vinyard before you ever went to Jeffrey Epsteins house correct A First time I went first time before I knew Preston I went to Jeffrey Epsteins I went to Jeffrey Epsteins first before I ever knew Preston Vinyard And how do you know thats true A Because when I first met Preston I dated him for on and off for a couple of years Like it was my first love So of course I am going to remember when I met my first love compared to when I went to Mr Epsteins Where did you meet your as you described him because well come back to this A Itwaslike Wait a minute Were going to come back to this When did you meet what youve now described as your first love being Preston Vinyard A Uh-huh When was that what year Page What year calendar year What year A It was the freshman year is Wait wait Am I saying this right Freshman sophomore junior senior MR MERMELSTEIN right THE WITNESS yeah BY MR LUITIER A Uh-huh Yes In fact you started dating Preston Vinyard in January of02 didnt you A I started dating him the ending of my sophomore year January of to be specific isnt that right A Yeah A January Thats right A No I didnt start dating him until my swnmer like right whenever I was done with school And when did you first have sex with Mr Vinyard A When I probably I dont remember Well a girl generally remembers the first time she lost her virginity doesnt she A I dont remember the exact date MR MERMELSTEIN Objection argumentative Page THE WITNESS I dont remember the exact date but it was sometime the ending of my sophomore well done with my sophomore year It was the end of my sophomore year beginning of my junior year BY MR LUTTIER Would your recollection about what dates were involved have been better back in than it is now A Yeah depending on the situation yeah Youre youre aware of the fact that maybe this will refresh your recollection You are aware of the fact that you have provided sworn testimony about when you first dated Mr Vinyard and when you first had sex with him arent you A No So youve forgotten that A Yeah But whatever you gave in terms of sworn testimony whenever you gave it that was true was it not A My sophomore year Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page MR MERMELSTEIN Objection form predicate THE WI1NESS I dont know I dont know the statement I dont know BY MR LUTIIER And when you took up with this fellow Preston your parents werent too happy about that were they A No And Preston did he really just get out of prison A I dont know You dont know if he just got out of prison A No Do you know if he went to prison A I know he went to jail Okay All right Well did he just get out of jail A I think so I dont remember And was A He went what Go ahead A No I said I think so I dont remember Did your parents have to do some kind of Page Page Were you going over to his house A No When was the first time you went over to his house A When I was Sixteen Okay Hes and youre when you first started dating him right A No verbal response Correct A Yes somewhere in that time Im pretty sure its somewhere in that time frame When you went over to his house where did you go Do you remember the address A I dont think the first time I went was to that address but I hung out there Okay Well what was the address A I dont remember the address but I just know it was in La Manche And thats the same neighborhood you lived in A Yes And by the way who was living there with him A Tony And it was just he and his buddy living Page formal intervention to try to get you and there right Mr Vinyard split up A And his buddys mother A No And then his buddys mother left right How disappointed or how upset was your dad A Yeah about your relationship with Mr Vinyard So you would go over and visit with him A He was upset when it was just him over there and your dad didnt And Mr Vinyard lived down the street from like that did he you didnt he A When it was just him over there A He was staying down the street Yep And he was what how old was he when you A No like if Tony would be there his mom met him would be there A How old is he now Hold on Give me a And your dad didnt like that did he second A No No probably not Im sure When you first met him he was is that Theres no probably about it He let you right know he didnt like that didnt he A Yeah I think so yeah A He didnt approve of it Okay And you were how old How did you know he didnt approve ofit A I was A Well when I first started dating him he So it was a 15-year-old dating a didnt know he didnt really know that how old 23-year-old Preston was He didnt know that he had a criminal A I didnt date him when I was background until later on Say what But you did A I wasnt dating him when I was A in our relationship So in the Well you were beginning if youre talking about when I first went A a an th grr 1fri nd ve th i i id i a li it th I thi a nk Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page my dad would mind then Well when did you let your dad know how old old Preston was A Probably by junior year maybe And when did you let him know he had a criminal background A I didnt let him know How did your dad A Yeah I did I dont think he liked that He wasnt happy about it And you and he fought about that didnt you A Well no not fought about it but got in arguments about it By the way when you were talking about being topless in front of men there were occasions in your life when you voluntarily got in front of strange men with no top on werent there A No Do you recall doing that for the police on one occasion A No The police if I think I know what you are talking about I had a restraining order on Preston and he had entered my house And I didnt know he was in my house and the door was open When Page I was changing in my bedroom out of my clothes I walked out to the front because the police were my door was open and the police were standing out front And I heard somebody in my bedroom So I walked out there covering my chest like freaked out who is at my house and why like what is going on And I walked out and I and I realized it was the cops And Im like how what are you doing in my house and they said well the door was open And I said excuse me and I like put my clothes on When did this happen What year was this A I dont remember what year it was Why were the police at your house A Because Preston we had got we were in a cab or I had gotten a cab ride back to my house and Preston was supposed to get a ride back to his house because he lives in La Manche staying like right around the comer from me And instead of getting well I didnt know that he didnt pay for the cab I guess like down the street They had dropped me off first and I guess down the street whenever they were going to drop him off he like jumped out of the cab and I they knew where they dropped me off at my Page house so the cab driver came back to my house and I was already at my house in my my room changing And I guess I must have left the door open and Preston must have came into my my house And the cops I dont even I dont know I dont even know Wait a minute You were in a cab with Preston Vinyard A Yeah Did you say you got a restraining order against him A Yeah Why would well what did you get a restraining order against him for A Because he because he was abusive And what year of high school were you in when you got the restraining order against the first love of your life Mr Vinyard who you now say is abusive to you MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WI1NESS I think it was my junior or senior year BY MR LUITIER Thats while you were going to see Mr Epstein right Page A Thats why I was going to see him Thats while you were going to see Mr Epstein A Yeah Mr Epstein was never abusive towards you was he A No Okay So tell me more about why you got a restraining order against Mr Vinyard What occurred that made you get that restraining order A Because we were broken up and I would try to go leave my house and he would be waiting for me at my like house Like I would go try to leave to go somewhere and like he would be in another vehicle with his friend like wait like not letting me like go somewhere where I want like letting me go somewhere where I would want to go but I mean like pretty much stalking me Did it scare you A No Well at the time yeah I would just call his boss and his boss would come pick him up It happened one time Did you fear it A Did I fear it at the time Yeah Did you tell the court you were in fear of Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page your life A No A lot worse A Yes Now this is what youre a what And it was true when you told the court 16-year-old girl when Mr Vinyards doing this to that you A Yeah A When I dated him through high school Jeffrey Epstein never put you in fear of Yeah when he is doing this when hes your life did he throwing you up against the wall A No A Junior yeah junior year and senior Now you say this happened one time that year yeah Mr Vinyard was you say stalking you I mean that scared you didnt it A Yeah I think Im pretty sure yeah A Yeah What else Did Mr Vinyard do anything It was traumatic to you wasnt it else to you that caused you fear MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form A We it was a an unhealthy relationship argumentative We got in a lot of arguments but I dont remember BY MR LUTIIER every single one It was traumatic to you was it not And do you remember my question A At the time yeah A Sorry Say it one more time You didnt have were all your friends Did Mr Vinyard do anything else that off getting restraining orders against boyfriends caused you any fear that were six seven years older than them A When we argued yeah A No Well what did he do And did you have some other traumatic A Nothing He was a big guy real muscular things that happened to you in your lifetime Hes big When someone is arguing in your face it MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form kind of throws you I mean you get scared,just Calls for a legal conclusion Page Page arguing THE WITNESS At the time yeah I have Just arguing had a few friends die A Yeah arguing BY MR LUITIER Was he nice to you A few friends A Yeah when he wasnt drinking A Yeah well One friend die yeah Did he call you any names Who died A Yeah A My good friend or a friend of mine What did he call you Chris A Probably every name in the book you can What happened to him think of A Got into a DUI accident Did he ever hurt you physically And when did that happen A Bit my finger A When did that happen It might have Anything else happened my freshman year or sophomore freshman A Probably grabbed me to move me Like year in in high school grabbed me That was before you met Mr Epstein Did he ever choke you right A Yeah I think there was an incident where A Yeah he choked me How well did you know this fellow Chris Did he ever throw you against a wall A I met him my freshman year in high school A Yeah and I think he died when my freshman year I Did he ever grab you by your shoulders and probably knew him for I dont know how long I throw you down in your front yard dont remember how long I knew him but maybe a A Yeah couple of months Did Mr Epstein do anything like that Did you date him ever A Boyfriend-girlfriend no but Id go out Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page on a I went on a date with him once For two or three months didnt you date him A No I went on a date with him Did you ever tell anybody ever at any time from the day you were born until now that you dated him for several months A No he was never my boyfriend MR MERMELSTEIN Objection BY MR LUTTIER Did you hear my question Did you ever tell anyone from the time you were born A Yeah I dated him Wait a minute from the time you were born until now that you dated him for several months MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WI1NESS No I dated I went on a date with him BY MR LUTTIER Listen carefully to my question A No Is your answer to my question no you never told anybody that you dated him for several months Page somewhere along the way A Yeah I had another friend die Who was that Page A Jennifer I dont even remember her last name though So thats bad When did she die A I dont even I dont I dont know Well it was after the point in time that you got into the accident A It was afterwards with Mr Vinyard driving the car drunk wasnt it A Yeah So let talk about that for a while You got into a car with Mr Vinyard one time your first love of your life when he was drunk right A Uh-huh And he was driving down a road at an excessive rate of speed was he not A Yes And I think it was what miles an hour A It was fast And were you drunk too A Yes Okay And you were how old Page A I mean I dont know I dont think so A I dont remember I dont know I mean maybe yeah Well you were or less werent you Well which is it A I dont know I dont remember A I dont know Well you know you know you were You dont know that it happened during your what sophomore year A I dont know in high school You dontthink so You dont know A I dont know when it happened I dont A I dont know remember when it happened So anyway this this young man got You cant you are telling us you dont killed you say in some kind of accident remember what year it happened A Yeah he got into a yeah a DUI A No I dont accident Well when did you stop dating Preston And who was driving that car A I remember it was around Christmas time A Prestons brother Brad but I dont remember what year it was Preston Vinyard is that your first loves Okay And when did you stop dating brother Preston A Yes A Me and him were on and off for years so Okay And that kind of took you you Okay took that kind of hard your your friend Chris A There was plenty of times when we werent being killed didnt you dating and plenty of times when we were on MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form In any event you were as we say TIIB WTINESS Yeah I mean that was a underage You were under years of age on this frierid of mine yeah occasion BY MR LUTIIER A Yes ka lf.:a i An id os an oth er fri An th a ii id av a ak ID Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A At that time no When did you first get your first fake ID A My senior year or I dont even remember Well which is it You dont remember or your senior year A I dont remember I was going to try to guess but I dont remember As a matter of fact your sophomore year in high school you had a fake ID didnt you A I dont know Did I Well I am asking you maam A No I dont know How did you get the fake ID A I dont know what you are talking about so are you asking me I am talking about a fake ID A I dont know My fake or Lauren gave itto me Lauren gave it to you And how did she get it for you A She was She was it was for an ID for being to be And and how did she get it for you A It was her it was her picture And you and you were with your name Page Page BY MR LUTIIER Okay And that went on for how long a period A I dont know Im going to ask you I think I asked you this A I dont even know how that was twice a week because I was playing soccer Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Id be gone traveling on the weekends I would be gone playing soccer games So the only night I had off was Monday And I wouldnt even like I never missed school So I dont see how it would be twice a week Well that was while the soccer season was going on right A Yeah I think whenever I had free time or whatever since I was playing soccer and was always busy whenever I had a day off I would go hang out with my friends Now I want to go back and ask a question that I asked you about earlier now that were talking about Mr Vinyard A Yeah I want to ask you again did you ever do any drug with Mr Vinyard that you didnt have any Page on it prescription for A No with her Its a picture of her A Yeah Lauren Murphy What drugs My question was did you ever have a fake A Coke ID that is an ID that identified it as being you Now can you tell me why earlier in this but the wrong birth date deposition when I asked you if you had done any A No illegal drugs you told me no And you were drinking before you were A Because I dont do drugs now I didnt were you not know when you asked me the question I didnt A Yeah think it was have you ever done It was like do And do you recall when you first started you do drugs No I dont drinking And my question to you was whether you had A No I dont remember the first time I ever done any drugs and you said no started drinking but no I dont A Sorry I didnt understand your question Was it before you were then A Maybe yeah Any other questions you didnt understand And how many times were you drunk with old this morning Preston MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form A I dont even know that answer I dont argumentative know THE WITNESS No Well Preston testified yesterday that you BY MR LUTflER were drunk about twice a week with him Would you Do you know of any testimony that you have agree with that estimate from him given thus far in this deposition that is inaccurate MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form that you now need to correct THE WI TNE eah ro ab ly A Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form MR LUTIIER And youre sure MR MERMELSTEIN She doesnt have to make that determination now She has the right to read the transcript and make it then BY MR LUTIIER I just want to make sure you understand theres no tricks A Yeah So if you said something you think you need to correct I want to give you the opportunity to do it A Okay Thankyou So if there is anything MR MERMELSTEIN She will have that opportunity well after this so BY MR LUTIIER If there is anything that you said that you either need to correct or supplement just let me know All right A All right Thank you Okay Now any other drugs that you did with Preston besides cocaine A No How about any drugs you have done with Page Page A You know like two two or three times I tried it in my life Where did you get it A I dont even I dont know because I have only been able whenever wait when I dont know You just know you got it but you dont remember when A With friends Yeah when I was hanging out with friends that did it Did you ever do any drugs with Lauren Murphy A I am trying to think I am going let you think about that while I go take a break and go to the restroom A All right MR MERMELSTEIN Why dont we take five minutes THE VIDEOGRAPHER Off the record at A briefrecess was held THE VIDEOGRAPHER Were back on the record at MR LUTIIER Okay Would you read the last question back The requested portion of the record was Page anybody else besides Preston other than cocaine read by the reporter A I I have smoked pot before but I dont TI-IE WTINESS I dont remember I am smoke Ive just tried pot sure Im not sure what specifically doing Any pills that you have taken before that drugs but shes my friend I hung out with you didnt have a prescription for her a lot A Yeah I have tried Ecstasy BY MR LUlTIER Okay And tell us when you took the Well you did Xanax with her didnt you Ecstasy A Xanax A What do you mean tell you what Xanax When was the first time you took Ecstasy A Not that I remember A I dont know I dont know And you did Ecstasy with her right Well what year in high school were you A No not that I remember I mean Ive when you first started taking Ecstasy done it Ive done Ecstasy before I dont maybe A I dont know it was with her Was it your junior year And youve done cocaine with her havent A I dont know you Was it your sophomore year A Yeah I know Ive done cocaine with her A I dont know but I dont think Ive done Xanax with her or For what period of time did you take Ecstasy Maybe I dont I mean Ecstasy When was the first time you did cocaine A I didnt Its not like I took it every with Lauren day Its not like took it every day On A I dont remember occasion I tried it Well what year in high school were you How many times did you take it More than A I dont even know ifl I dont even once didnt you know ifl was in high school whenever I did it i Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Before you were in high school didnt use alcohol A No A Yeah maybe he told me he didnt do MR MERMELSTEIN Objection drink or do drugs yeah THE WITNESS I said I dont think I He did tell you those things dont I dont know MR MERMELSIBIN Dont speculate If you BY MR LUTTIER know All right Do pot with Lauren Murphy 1HE WITNESS Yeah A No I dont smoke no BY MR LUTTIER Other than with Lauren Murphy you did Okay Now did you tell your the first Ecstasy correct love of your life Mr Vinyard about going to MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and Mr Epsteins answered You can answer A Did I tell him about it BY MR LUTTIER Yeah he was aware that you were going to When was the last time you did Ecstasy Mr Epsteins was he not A Probably like when I graduated high school MR MERMELSIBIN Objection or high school 1HE WITNESS Was he aware And were you doing Ecstasy throughout the BY MR LUTTIER time period that you were in high school Yes A No I have done no Ive done it like two A I dont know or three times Well didnt you tell him about it Okay And was that before or after you A It was all in the papers first met Mr Epstein No At the time that you were going to A That was I dont remember whenever I Mr Epsteins dont remember when I did it I dont know A No I didnt So you dont know if you did it before you were supposedly dating Mr Vinyard Page Page you met Mr Epstein right A No I dont remember A On and off yes You had smoked pot before you met All right Did did Mr Vinyard know that Mr Epstein had you not you were going to see Mr pstein A Yeah A No You had used cocaine before you met Did you tell him that you were going to Mr Epstein had you not see Mr Epstein A No I dont think so I dont remember A No And how about Xanax did you do that Did you intentionally not tell him that before you met Mr Epstein you were going to see Mr Epstein A No MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Mr Epstein never gave you any drugs THE WITNESS No correct BY MR LUTTIER A No Why didnt you tell him you were going to Did you ever have any discussions with him see Mr Epstein about drug use A When we werent together I would go A No Say what Did you ever have discussions with him A I didnt tell him about alcohol use Did you say when you werent together you A No would go to Mr Epstein As a matter of fact Mr Epstein told you A I would go like I dont know I ju he doesnt drink any alcohol i dnt he ask the question again If what A Did he I dont remember Why didnt you tell Did you tell others including but not A Previous to that limited to the police that Mr Epstein told ou he Why didnt you tell Preston that you were Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page going to Mr Epstein know how the person got the picture I mean it was A I didnt because he would probably freak just I mean everybody seeing you in our bra and out underwear it was like abase now but at the time it While you and Preston Vinyard were was somethingjust like wow I dont together you didnt go to Mr Epstein did you You you appeared in videos before A No I did havent you Now do you recall in high school there A In videos being any incident of you being in a videotape that Yeah videos was circulated around the high school A What kind of videos A A videotape Videos of sexual performances Uh-huh A I have made a homemade video before A No You made one Do you recall there being something on the A Yes Internet involving you when you were in high school And did you ever make a homemade video A Picture with Mr Epstein And that was a picture of whom A No A Me and my friend Tammy Okay When did you make this homemade And what was that picture depicting video A I think a picture of me in my underwear A I dont remember and bra I dont remember Well how old were you And what was Tammy in A I dont remember A Her underwear Well you remember the video right Okay And A Yeah A I dont even remember And and I assume making a homemade Her underwear or her underwear and bra what did this homemade video depict Page Page A Her underwear I dont remember I A Me and my boyfriend dont remember what the exact picture was At the beach or But you remember the incident though A making out together dont you having sex A Yeah I remember the incident A Yeah And what year in high school were you Having sexual intercourse A A freshman A Yeah Okay And and what was the result of Okay So that would be I would assume that picture appearing on the Internet that would be an event you remember A It was embarrassing A Yeah but I dont remember whenever I made Embarrassing to you the when I took the video A Yeah And do you remember if you made it before Was everybody in the school talking about you went to see Mr Epstein it A I made it while I was going there A For like two days and then something else Okay Mr Epstein didnt ask you to make happened in high school It was over dropped the video did he Were were people accusing you of being a A No lesbian Okay So what this would make you A I dont I dont I dont know years old You mean nobody nobody--to your A I dont remember how old I was knowledge nobody accused you of being a lesbian Was it before your third visit to A No Mr Epstein And when you say it was embarrassing to A I dont remember you what do you mean When did you show it to Mr Epstein A Well it was embarrassing I dont even A Part of my senior I dont even Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page remember I mean I dont even I dont know MR MERMELSIBIN Objection You you remember when you showed it BY MR LUTTIER dont you Correct You werent embarrassed by any A No I dont of it correct MR MERMELSTEIN Objection A Yeah BY MR LUTIIER You werent traumatized by it correct Was it your second visit to Mr Epstein A Traumatized now yeah A No I dont remember MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form But it could have been BY MR LUTTIER A Maybe I dont know I dont why At the time you werent trauma ized were would it be no it definitely wasnt my second you visit because my second visit I wouldnt even I A No didnt even take any clothes off so why would I You only got traumatized after you filed bring a video this lawsuit right I was actually going to ask you that MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form question myself maam BY MR LUTTIER A No Right Youre the only one that can answer that MR MERMELSlEIN Argumentative A So it wasnt my second visit BY MR LUTTIER Why would you take a video Right A It wasnt that A Traumatized afterwards Wait let me finish Yeah A Yeah A About the situation he put me in Yeah of you having sex with another person Yeah after you filed the lawsuit to show Mr Epstein MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form Page Page A Because after I had gone there several THE WITNESS No times Mr Epstein was a very like sexual like BY MR LUTTIER like funny person And he would always like like You never went like talk about like like for example like oh A It wasn after I filed the lawsuit go ask Nadia whats her favorite toy or tell me By the way before you filed this lawsuit about like these sexual classes and like tell me did you ever seek any kind of psychological help as about how to give a guy head or like he would a result of having gone to Mr Epstein he was always talking sex like talking sexual A I was having problems that when I was things with me younger yeah I went and saw two psychiatrists So I I brought it I had mentioned to No I said did it did you go see those him about the video and I brought it in I think psychiatrists before you nt to Mr Epstein he asked me to bring it in or maybe I asked him do A Before I went to pstein you want me to bring it in and he said yes or if I Yeah brought it in I dont remember but thats why I A No after brought it in because we would always joke around Are you sure like sexual like he would joke around with me A I dont remember I dont I dont like sexual like things about like like I dont remember what exact date I know I went and saw know just thought it was funny two psychiatrists but I dont remember the exact So it was joking around with Mr Epstein date whenever I went there A Yeah Well you went to see two psychiatrists And you were perfectly comfortable doing about the problems you wer having with your that right parents didnt you A Yeah at the time yeah A No Well me and my parents were arguing You werent embarrassed by any of it a lot but thats because I didnt my boyfriend right and plus I was being supported by another Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page another man another father-like person that was sitting there paying me money So I didnt you know my parents and me were arguing about my boyfriend I kind of like you know my parents were just I dont know we werent getting along and my parents just yeah I cant even make out what your answer to the question was maam A Sony I am confused I dont know like what This is a simple question MR MERMELSTEIN Why why dont you ask the question again BYMR LUITIER You went to the psychiatrists that you went to you went to them before you ever went to Mr Epstein didnt you A I dont remember when I went And you went to see two people and you went to see them about problems that you had with your parents did you not A Yeah I went Didnt say a single thing about Epstein at the time because you hadnt even met him had you A I think I had met him then Page MR LUITIER Let me see show you your interrogatories Lets mark this as Exhibit These are just the Answers to Interrogatories that MR MERMELSTEIN I understood Defendants Exhibit No was marked for identification BY MR LUITIER All right Ive handed you maam what is marked as Exhibit your Answers to Defendants First Interrogatories And the first question I want to ask you is if you tum to the third-to-the-last page which would be contains Interrogatory on it A Uh-huh Is that your signature A Yeah All right And you see what that verification clause says above there A What Can you read that what it says MR MERMELSTEIN No no no Hes talking about this THE WITNESS Oh oh Wait what am I Page supposed to do just read MR MERMELSTEIN Do you want her to read it or to herself or do you want her to read it out loud BY MR LUTH I mean you can read it to yourself You swore that these answers were correct right A Yeah Okay So these are your statements under oath and theyre all true right A Yeah Okay Lets look at Page Interrogatory No And in Answer to Interrogatory you list three psychiatrists A Uh-huh Ingram Associates Counseling Consulting a Dr Lisa Niebling and a Dr Gilbert Kliman Now when you referred referenced earlier that you had been to two psychiatrists were you referring to Ingram Associates and Dr Lisa Niebling A Yeah And it says in these answers to interrogatories that you went to Ingram Associate one time in Do you see that Page A Yes thats when I was trying to figure out a good psychiatri to go and talk to where I was going to be comfortable And and was your first visit to Ingram Associates in fact before you went to see Mr Epstein A I dont know I dont remember when I went And did you discuss with anyone at Ingram Associates when you went there one time anything at all about Mr Epstein A I dont remember I dont think so I dont know In fact you talked to them about the conflict you were having with your paren didnt you A I dont remember And then Lisa Niebling it says here that you went to two to three sessions with her in Do you see that A Where Number2 A Uh-huh And in fact did you go to her befor you had gone to see Mr Epstein Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A I dont remember when I went to her You didnt say a single thing to her about Mr Epstein did you A No I dont remember You were there to see her about the conflict you were having with your parents werent you A I dont remember And the reason you went to these people is because you and your parents were having problems isnt that right A I dont remember Now although you dont remember any of these answers now have you told anyone else at any time in your life that the reason you went to Ingram Associates and Dr Lisa Niebling was because of conflict you had with your parents MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form TIIE WITNESS No I dont think I told anybody that I went there BY MR LUTIIER Are you sure about that A Like friends family I dont know By the way A I dont remember Page Page your lawyer gave you his name A No And when you say through your lawyers who are you referring to A Stuart Okay And and were you told to go see Dr Kliman A I was looking for a psychiatrist at the time and I had to schedule an appointment with Dr Kliman yes Well Dr Kliman lives in San Francisco A Uh-huh Youre not telling us that you looked him up yourself are you A No Okay So when you say you were looking for a psychiatrist how long had you been looking for a psychiatrist A For a while Well lets see you went to see Dr Kliman in what year A is that right A I dont know what the exact dates are Yes,maybe Page Whos this Dr Kliman It was after you filed this lawsuit A Who is that right Yeah who is that A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Its Plaintiffs expert So from which would have been the BY MR LUTIIER last session with either Niebling or Ingram Dr Kliman how did you meet Dr Kliman Associates until is six years MR MERMELSTEIN As as Plaintiffs A Uh-huh forensic expert And you couldnt find a psychiatrist in MR CRITTON Whoa whoa whoa No no six years no Have you ever heard of form A I wasnt looking for one MR LUTIIER Just wait Let her answer As a matter of fact your lawyer MR MERMELSTEIN Okay A Whenever MR CRITTON Give me a break Go ahead BY MR LUTIIER A I wasnt looking for one my freshman or How did you meet Dr Kliman what was it my sophomore junior or senior year in A How did I meet him high school I wasnt looking for one until Yeah how did you meet him probably my freshman year in college MR MERMELSTEIN I have never heard this Are you sure you were looking for a question asked about an expert retained for psychiatrist in your freshman year at college purposes of litigation You can answer the A Yes I was going to go to the one in question but Boca I made appointments to go I just never BY MR LUTIIER ended up showing up How did you meet Did you represent in any of your health A Through my lawyers forms at Lynn University that you had no _2 i ad i er ar im efi re sy lo gt a or i i yc hi a trt a Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A No A Yeah problem whatever So we know at least as of the time you A At Lynn University No were a freshman at Lynn you had represented to At Lynn University thats right other third parties that you had no psychological or A No psychiatric problem right MR MERMELSTEIN No to what A Uh-huh BY MR LUTHER So you werent looking You never made that representation A Yes A You mean going to going to Lynn So you werent looking for a psychiatrist like getting help at Lynn University Is that what then were you you mean MR MERMELSTEIN Objection form MR MERMELSTEIN Can you ask the question THE WITNESS No again because I dont Im not I wasnt BY MR LUITIER clear what she was answering no to Can you So you only began to look for a ask the question again psychiatrist after you filed this lawsuit isnt MR LUTIIER Read that back that right MR MERMELSTEIN Take your time by the A Yeah way Just make sure And you only did that because your lawyers The requested portion of the record was told you to do it right read by the reporter A No it wasnt just because of that I was THE WI1NESS So had Lynn University ever looking for one but why would I tell my school helped me psychologically that Why would I tell my school or anybody like MR LUTIIER No anybody Thats something personal you dont want MR MERMELSTEIN No no Listen to the anybody to know anything about that do you know question again Im sorry Im sorry Take what I mean Page Page your time Listen to the question How about the truth how about you want to The requested portion of the record was read by be truthful when they give you a health form and ask the reporter you if you have any problems THE WITNESS Well what do you what do MR MERMELSTEIN Objection you mean argumentative BY MR LUTTIER MR LUTIIER That would be Well like when you go to school they MR MERMELSTEIN We dont have the health make you fill out some health questionnaires a lot form in front of us oftimes Did you ever fill out any questionnaires MR LUTIIER That would be at Lynn and represent you had no psychological MR MERMELSTEIN If you want to show it problems at all to us that would be helpful A Yeah BY MR LUTIIER Okay Those were true statements when you If if they gave you a health form and ask made them right you if have any health problems you want to be A Yeah truthful in answering that wouldnt you You wouldnt lie to people that were A Yeah I go to a small private school Do giving you health information would you you think I want somebody knowing that I have been MR MERMELSTEIN Objection sexually abused at my school like a small amount argumentative You can answer you think I want that getting around school THE WITNESS No So what youre telling me BY MR LUTTIER A Why would I why would I Right So what you are telling me is youre not A Well I no truthful in health forms when you fill them out Okay So that was your freshman year at MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to fonn Lynn right argumentative Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of ZS Page BY:MR.LUTIIER And in fact is that what youre telling me youre not truthful in your health forms when you fill them out MR MERMELSTEIN Same objection Tiffi WITNESS Yeah Im truthful BY:MR.LUITIBR Well thats not exactly right is it As a matter of fact theres some things you havent told anybody on your side of the case about your health background arent there Tiffi WITNESS Whats that MR MERMELSTEIN Objection BY MR LUITIBR Lets talk about Dr Kliman You had a very intensive and exhaustive interview process with him did you not A Yeah And you went to him after your lawyer told you to make an appointment with him right A Yeah And he flew all the way from California the other side of the country to come here just to see you right A Yeah Page And you knew your other friends that have lawsuits against Jeffrey Epstein had gone to him too didnt you A Yeah And they told you theyd been there and that you needed to do that as part of your lawsuit MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Tiffi WI1NESS No they didnt know BY MR LUTTIER And you talked to Jane Doe No about going to see a psychologist didnt you your friend Jane Doe No A Yes I talked to Jane Doe No about it Okay And that would be Jane Doe No so were sure who that is thats Jane Doe No Im going to make sure I pronounce her last name Doe right A Yes Well tell me what Jane Doe No told you about the psychological exam A Nothing She just told me she was going there She was flying from Orlando to go there Thats it Yeah And what else did she tell you about what she was supposed to do when she got Page there A Nothing she didnt tell me anything And did she tell you who told her to go there A No She just one day out of the blue said oh by the way Im flying A Im assuming it was her lawyer I dont know She told you that didnt she A No she didnt I dont know who told her Did she she coinmunicate with you at any time before or after her examination by the psychologist in this case as to what she had been instructed to do A No Did she talk to you after she went to the psychologist in this case A Yes I talked to her after And that was before you went to the psychologist right A I dont know when she went I know she went and I know she was going but I dont know about her about anything about her psychologist Page Listen to my question You talked to her after she went to her psychological examination in her lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein correct A Yes That discussion A I talk to her every day That discussion happened before you went to your psychological examination didnt it A I dont know when hers was Thats not my question A I dont know The discussion A Then I dont know Listen to me A I dont know when hers was and I dont know I dont even remember the exact day when mine was so I dont know whenever hers if hers was before mine or if mine was before hers I dont know when hers was I want to make sure you answer my question Okay I dont want to get it gummed up with what you knew or dont know You had a conversation with Jane Doe No about her examination with the psychologist in her lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein before you went to see Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Dr Kliman did you not Okay And he is a lawyer at the law firm A No I dont I dont know A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and And is that is that Mr Herman answered A Yes BY MR LUTfIER Okay And what did he say when he You dont know or no which is it contacted you MR MERMELSTEIN She just said it A I dont remember TI-IE WITNESS No I dont know Well did he ask you if you wanted to BY MR LUTIIER become a Plaintiff You dont know So it may have happened A Yeah Im sure Im here Im sitting A Yeah here now Okay And Jane Doe No told you what MR MERMELSTEIN Just occurred during her psychological exam did she not TI-IE WITNESS I dont know if victims A Yeah or if Im a Plaintiff So you had that knowledge before you saw BY MR LUTIIER Dr Kliman Yep A I dont know whenever I dont I MR MERMELSTEIN And to the extent that dont even know whenever her thing was It wasnt you decided to ask Mr Herman about legal I I before I went It was after both of us were done advise or to retain him as your lawyer an with everything conversations after that point are privileged Well done with everything you guys are so you cant talk about what was said All in the middle of lawsuits arent you right A Yeah but we dont discuss it Its TI-IE WITNESS Okay not like thats our topic of our conversation every MR MERMELSTEIN So so dont talk about day anything you know once youve either decided Page Page Did you tell me you talk to her every day to ask for legal advice or retain Mr Herman A Pretty much every single day not every Okay day but I Im getting to a point where Im good THE WITNESS All right friends with her I talk to her frequently not BY MR LUTIIER every single day So but we re talking about before you And you and Jane Doe No both of you retained him You werent looking for a lawyer got lawsuits going again Mr Epstein right initially were you A Yeah yeah A Yeah I I was getting a lot yeah the Both of you are represented by the same FBI gave me a somebody I mean not gave me I lawyers asked for somebod number And she said she cant A Yeah tell me anything that she can give me this ladys And did she tell you to go to the lawyer number to call because I didnt I didnt know what after she had already to do at all I called that lady I didnt do A No she didnt tell me anything anything about it How did you find your lawyer in this case He had called my lawyer or my A Because they contacted me lawyer contacted me now and I met with him and that Oh the law firm contacted you was it A Yeah Lets go back to the FBI Who gave you a And what did they say to you when they number to call contacted you A I dont remember who ga me the number A A lot oflawyers did at that time Somebody that I met with Well the law firm thats representing you The U.S Attorney now when they contacted you who was it that A Who is the U.S Attorney contacted you The lady A It was Jeffre or Jeff A One of the ladies that I was speaking Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Mellafano phonetic or Velafano office phonetic or Villafana or A Yeah from A I dont know One of the ladies that I Okay Now was speaking to I said I need help I said can A I dont know I dont know you please give me anybodys number that can better MR MERMELSTEIN No let her finish the assist me because she said look she said I cant answer tell you anything She wouldnt give me any THE WITNESS I dont know if it was from information that office I dont know what level of the And you was it this the Assistant degree they are in There was people in a U.S Attorney Ms Villfana room There was three people in the room A I dont think I dont remember who it including myself Or not including myself was Three people four four people in the room I What name did they give you don know which person if she was a A I dont even remember if they gave me a psychiatrist and like if she was giving me number I dont even they gave me a number and like I dont know what what they were like I called the lady and she said that she she could I dont know what their level of like if she wants to like help me the best she could they are State like what are you saying like but I dont even remember State attorney or something or I dont know Was that a lawyer at the office at Bob what the law legal term that you guys are Josefsberg trying to get to but A I dont know BY MR TTIER A lawyer in Miami This was during your meeting with the FBI A No I dont I dont know where their right their office was at A Well when I went down to the court yeah Did they tell you that your name was on a This was your meeting with Page Page list A When I called them and asked them A No they didnt tell me anything the FBI correct So you called this person this number A Yeah they gave you Was it a lawyer whose number they All right So during your meeting with gave you the FBI A I dont know who it was She I asked her A But there was two other people in that if she could I was like because I wanted to find room out information because I wanted help And she During your meeting with the FBI there said well I cant really give you any information wasnt anybody there that wasnt associated with the she said but you could call this person FBI was there And I dont know who the person was I A I dont know dont know I dont know the number I dont know Well did you ask if it was a lawyer I dont know anything And my A No lawyer contacted me and I met with my lawyer and Did you say who are all you people that was it A No because they they were there to help Whoa whoa whoa Let backup The me the someone from the U.S Attorneys office And one of these people give you a number originally gave you a number to call is that right and you call that number right A Uh-huh A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and Tell me what discussions you had answered A It was BY MR LUTTIER with whoever answered the phone at the But you dont know their name other end of this number A No I dont know their name A It was like a five she asked I said Okay But you know they were from that can you give me like information can you help me Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page like whats going to happen And she said that sony she cant like do anything about it and that was it It was like a five-second conversation I didnt even speak to her that long Wait a minute I want to make sure were clear When you keep saying she A Or he I dont know sony That person This is the person whose number was given to you by somebody at this FBI meeting thats the person were talking about you called that number A Yeah And you dont remember if the person you talked to was a male or a female right A No And you dont remember anything about what was said A No But it was a short conversation A Yeah And and you didnt retain whoever it was you were talking to A What do you mean retain You didnt hire them to do anything for Page A No Okay And and that was the only conversation you had with this person right A Yeah Did they give you another phone number to A No Did they refer you to anybody A Okay So after that point in time you did you do anything to go out and find a lawyer A No Literally the next day I met with Jeffrey Herman Well Jeffrey Herman Now how did-how did Mr Herman come into the picture How did he get ahold of you A I dont know MR MERMELSTEIN Objection form BY MR LUTIIER Mr Herman just led you out of the blue so to speak A I dont remember how I dont know if I if he called me or ifl got a letter I dont remember Well you didnt contact him first right Page A I might have gotten a letter and I might have contacted him You A I don remember how we first how we first made contact Lets go through this low Okay You did not contact Mr Herman first did you A I dont remember I dont know who contacted who Do you know what I mean by contacting him A Yes ifl called him up or ifhe called me up like I dont remember Well where did you get his number if you contacted him first A In the mail maybe I dont know So you got something from Mr Herman advertising to be your lawyer MR MERMELSTEIN Objection THE WITNESS I dont know I don know ifl got something I don know I don know if I got something in the mail I don know BY MR LUTTIER Well if you didnt get omething in the mail how would you have known to call him Page A I dont know if I got something in th mail or not I dont know I dont know how me and him first started talking Well how did you A I dont remember How did you know to contact Mr Herman at all A I dont know The fact of the matter is you were solicited by him A No were you not MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUTIIER Mr Herman do you know if hes a lawyer in good stand i ng in the Florida Bar A Yeah I mean Ive heard hes done some good stuff Do you know if he a lawyer in good standing in the Florida Bar A What do you mean good standing or if he has been disbarred MR MERMELS TE IN He hasnt been disbarr Objection to form Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page I BY MR LUTIIER And by then had you had any discussions Do you know if hes a lawyer in good with any of your friends like Jane Doe No about standing whether they had filed a lawsuit A What do you mean A No By that I mean is hes not suspended hes You had no discussions with her not disbarred A rm sure I dont remember A I know hes suspended Wasnt it Jane Doe No that told you who Okay When did you find out he was a her lawyers were and put you in contact with your suspended lawyer lawyers A I dont remember A while ago MR MERMELSTEIN Objection form In the first conversation with him THE WITNESS No no I don remember MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUITIER THE WITNESS No Well which is it no or I dont remember BY MR LUTIIER A No I mean theres no I dont know In the second conversation with him I dont know A I dont remember Well did you have Did you sign a contract with him A It was such a long while ago that that A Yeah wasnt even something that I would even begin to Okay And did he come meet you like no I dont know MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and You you are giving me more than one answered answer Whats the answer to this question THE WITNESS Yeah A There was so much going on in that time BY MR LUTIIER frame Okay So it wasnt until that happened MR MERMELSTEIN She didnt give you more that you had any idea of getting a lawyer and filing than one answer Objection Page Page a lawsuit against Mr Epstein was there THE WITNESS I dont know There was so MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form much going on in that that whole situation THE WITNESS No those were my the only people that I had to talk to was my intentions Thats why I called that number friend Jane Doe No so I dont know what we BY MR LUTTIER talked about Im sure I dont know I Now at that time dont know I dont know what we talked about A My intentions were like I had already Im sure I talked to her She was my best called somebody because I wanted help I didnt friend She was going there too know what to do BY MR LUTIIER Well and that was what year Was she going there A That was before I met with Jeffrey or A I dont think so I dont think I talked Jeffrey Herman to her about it I dont remember what I talked to Yeah Well what year is what my question her about it Im sure like things were brought was up I dont remember and I dont know A She was going to the lawyers that you eventually selected before you were going to them A wasnt she MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form A like in between that time THE WITNESS I dont know I dont think Before or after you got interviewed by I knew at that time no A I dont know BY MR LUTIIER We know it was after you got interviewed Well you know of somebody named Jane Doe by the FBI right No.6 A Yeah So somewhere in that time A Jane Doe No frame I dont know when Yeah do you know her Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A That name does not ring a bell Do you know a Jane Doe No A No Do you know an Jane Doe No or Jane Doe No A I am awful with names Do you know an Jane Doe No A No Do you know Jane Doe No A No Do you know you know Jane Doe No right A Yeah Because we have talked about her And you know that shes represented by the same lawyer as you are right A Uh-huh Did you tell her youve got to say yes MR MERMELSIBIN The question is do you know that TI-IE WITNESS Do I know that Yeah BY MR LUITIER And how do you know that A Because Im friends with her Have you had discussions with her about Page it A I just no I havent I just found out through I am friends with her I havent spoke to her in years I just hung out with her a month ago and I found out So a month ago A I found out How did you find out Did she tell you she was going to the same lawyer you were A No we I mean speaking like a couple years later I mean this whole thing is something that nobody ever wants to experience so having somebody else thats experienced the same thing that you have and being a friend you sit there and talk to that person about it Did you understand what my question was A Yes So yeah of course weve talked about it yeah Did she tell you she was represented by the same lawyer A No she didnt tell me Did you tell her who you were represented by A No Well how did it come up that the two of Page you were that you found out that you A Idont were being represented by the same lawyer A Well I didnt know who she was being represented by I dont know who shes being I know she was in a lawsuit for the whole situation that went down Did you give her name to your lawyers for them to go consult with her A No Did you give the names of any of your friends to your lawyers to go consult with your friends A No Are you sure A Is that like oh yeah you need to go talk to this girl No Thats exactly what Im talking about A No Did you say heres some other friends of mine A No that went to Jeffrey Epstein you ought to go seem them Page A No Did anybody come to you and tell you that you ought to go see this particular lawyer that you selected like any of your friends A No Do you know Jane Doe No A No Never heard of her A No Okay Okay Back to Dr Kliman The appointment that you had with Dr Kliman was all arranged through your lawyer wasnt it A Yeah You didnt know Dr Kliman from as they would said the man on the moon did you A No And your lawyers found him for you and told you that they had scheduled an appointment for you to go see him right A Yeah Was the first time you knew anything about going to any kind of psychologist or psychiatrist right MR MERMELSTEIN Objection form THE WITNESS What do you mean by that Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page BY MR LUTIIER The first time you had any appointment with anybody about Jeffrey Epstein wasnt it A Yeah As a matter of fact from the point in time that you first went to Jeffrey Epstein until the point in time that you walked in and saw Mr Kliman for the first time youd never been to any psychologist or psychiatrist and discussed anything about Jeffrey Epstein had you A No And had you ever sought any kind of medical care or attention whether it was psychiatric psychological mental health counselor or any other kind of medical care from the last time you saw Jeffrey Epstein until the day you walked in to see Dr Kliman lo A Had I seen Any kind of medical care at all as a result of having gone to see Mr Epstein A Yeah yeah What medical care did you seek between the time you last saw Mr Epstein and the first time you walked in and met Mr Kliman A My my psychiatrist I am seeing now Page Who is that A Rich Ruepto Who A Rich Ruepto Rich Whats the fast name A I I dont know how to spell it but Ill pronounce it Rich Ruepto Well how do you A or Ricky Ruepto Rick call him Rick Well how do you spell whats your best spelling of his last name A R-u-e-p-t-o R-u-e A P-t-o And when did you first go to Rick Ruepto A I dont know Maybe July Of what year A Of09 And that was was that after you had been to Dr Kliman A Uh-huh Yes Okay And why did you suddenly decide to go to Rick Ruepto after youd been to Dr Kliman MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form THE WITNESS I was f:rving to make Page appointments before Dr Kliman but I was always busy with soccer and school that I was never able to see a psychiatrist while I was in school BY MR LUITIER Well where is A So whenever I was out of school I then had the time to be able to to make time to go see one Okay Well lets lets digest that statement I want to make sure I understood it The only reason you hadnt been to Dr Ruepto before July of09 was your soccer schedule was such that you couldnt see him is that right A Well I didnt want anybody to know what had happened and had gone on with me so I cant be like oh hey coach Im sorry can you I cant make it to the game am I I have a psychiatrist appointment No I couldnt Did you understand my question A Yeah I just need you to answer my question A Okay MR LlJITIER Would you read the question back it Page THE WITNESS Yeah I didnt understand The requested portion of the record was read by the reporter THE WITNESS Yeah BY MR LUTilER Okay So you play soccer from when to when A September what is it August to like October You play during the summer A For the summer league I dont Okay You started in about August of05 atLynn A No I have summers off You started in August of at Lynn University right A Yes Okay You say you played soccer then for what period in at Lynn A Forwhat Did you were you playing in August A August of August to October Okay So in October of05 you were done Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A of05 to November and maybe like So from June of06 until about August of maybe a little bit in November for that two-month period you were out of Okay By November of you were done school with soccer for your first year at Lynn A Yeah A Yes Where did you where did you live during From December until school is out that period of time what in June A I think I was staying with Lauren at the A Yeah time From December until June of you Where werent playing soccer right A I said I was staying with Lauren during A Yeah the summer So why didnt you make an appointment to Where see Dr Ruepto sometime between December and June of A At her dads house Lauren Murphy A Of going into my sophomore year A Yeah No Of your freshman year from December Okay By the way during that time you of06 from January of06 to June of06 why were actually living with Lauren at her house did didnt you make an appointment to go see Dr Ruepto you all talk about Jeffiey pstein for that A I dont know two-month period in the summer of Your schedule would have permitted it A Im sure right Had you filed any lawsuit against Jeffiey A Wait This is my sophomore year pstein at that time No your freshman year You started in A Oh wait Oh wait Im thinking of about August of05 right All right This is my sophomore year I am A Yeah so confused by everything now repeat your Page Page You played soccer until November of question or ask the question A Uh-huh You said you lived wi th Lauren Murphy from Right June to July of during the summer after your A Yeah freshman year at Lynn University Okay So starting in January of06 until A No Yeah me and Lauren like yeah June of06 you could have gone to see Dr Ruepto You said you lived with her at her without any conflict parents house A I dont know A Yeah we stayed at parents house in your your soccer schedule right yeah A Yeah Well had you filed a lawsuit against So why didnt you make an appointment to Jeffrey Epstein then go see him A Yeah I think so Wait Yeah yeah I A I dont know think so You just told me the only reason you Did you talk to Lauren Murphy about it didnt go see Ruepto earlier than after July of A Im sure yeah was What did you tell her about it A I didnt even realize A I dont remember Wait a minute was because of your Did you ever at any point in your life soccer schedule Is that was that a true right up until today tell anyone that you thought it statement was outrageous that anyone would file a law uit A Yeah against Jeffrey pstein because everybody knew what Okay Now starting in June of06 you the deal was and knew what they were doing or words didnt go to Lynn University in the summers did to that effect you A I think when everything first happened me A No and Lauren were going a lot Me and her we were Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page just like I mean I didnt I didnt even realize like I didnt even know And I was like defending Mr Epstein I didnt even like think I I didnt even I didnt even I didnt I didnt even realize I was like MR MERMELSTEIN Take your time BYMR.LUTTIER I just need you to answer my question A Iknow MR MERMELSTEIN Well shes getting emotional Let her take her time Okay Tiffi WITNESS Yeah I said that to Lauren because I didnt even think I was doing anything wrong at the time I didnt even realize MR MERMELSTEIN Okay If you need a minute take a minute Okay Tiffi WITNESS Can I have a napkin or do MR MERMELSTEIN Yes Sure BY MR LUTTIER Now what was your answer You did say to Lauren that you would be outrageous A We she said we both said it to each other We were just like I cant believe this is happening like Jeffrey is such a great guy like Page you know like saying all this stuff about about him We didnt I didnt realize like I didnt even think I was doing anything wrong I I didnt even think I was doing anything wrong Wait a minute now I want to go through this slowly You say you and Lauren said this to each other A Uh-huh Whenever it first happened probably like in my freshman year in college when everything went down and we had no yeah I think I said it to her maybe once Now wait a minute now You last went to see Mr Epstein in October of05 right A Yeah So now were talking about June of06 A No it was not June of Thats not whenever whenever it first happened I said that to her It was like in when everything was going down When everything was like when the cops were starting to interview girls and were starting to get interviewed thats whenever I said something And I never said something to her in about it Did you ever say anything to anyone from January of06 until January of09 Page A No Wait a minute A Sorry from January of06 to January of09 to the effect that it was outrageous for anybody to sue Jeffrey Epstein that everybody knew what they were getting into and did everything voluntarily or words A No to that effect MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WITNESS No BY MR LUTTIER Are you sure A Yes Would you stake your life on it MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form argumentative THE WITNESS Yeah I said it to Lauren BY MR LUTTIER In that time period A Oh I dont I dont remember what time period it was Okay Well now are you telling me now maybe you did say that during that time period Page A Maybe I did I dont remember what time period I know Ive said it to Lauren before I dont remember exactly what time what date like what year Here is your choices You can either say you did it you can say you didnt do it or you can say you dont remember right Those are the only three choices that there are Do you agree with me MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Youre asking her when or are you asking her if MR LUTTIER I am saying during that time period THE WITNESS I said that MR MERMELSTEIN Or during the time period BY MR LUTTIER If you dont remember,just tell me A I dont remember you dont remember A I dont remember Which means just so were clear so we dont have a problem with our language when you say you dont remember youre not denying it you are just saying you have Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A I dont remember A Jane Doe No no recollection one way or the other Uh-huh And tell us when you told Jane A of the time frame Doe No that Is that right A I dont remember A Yeah I dont remember the time frame You told her that before you filed this Is my statement correct lawsuit though didnt you A Yes A No I dont remember Okay So every time in this deposition Now I want to tell you that you filed when you say I dont remember what that means is it your lawsuit in Okay You can assume that may have happened it may not have happened you and Im sure your counsel will correct me if Im have no recollection correct wrong but you didnt file this lawsuit until MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form You had a lot of discussions with your friends that THE WITNESS Yeah yeah had gone to Jeffrey Epstein before you filed this BY MR LUTIIER lawsuit didnt you Okay I just want to make sure were MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form clear If were not clear I will clear it up BY MR LUTTIER for me right now I want to make sure we have a Didnt you clear understanding on this record about what it A Yeah means when you say I dont remember And all those conversations were that A Well Ive already said that I know I have everybody knew what they were getting into and it said that to Lauren so thats not something that I was all done voluntarily and at that time you-all dont remember thought it was crazy that anybody would sue Jeffrey MR MERMELSTEIN Okay Okay Epstein didnt you BY MR LUTTIER MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Thats not my question I want to make THE WITNESS Yeah Page Page sure were clear on BY MR LUTIIER A Yeah Thats what you told each other didnt this record you A Yeah A Some people did Some people I don Let me ask the question I want to make remember I mean I dont remember who like yeah sure were clear on this record that when you say I And then what happened dont remember what you mean is you have no MR MERMELSTEIN If you dont remember recollection of the event Youre not denying it say you dont remember and youre not admitting it youre saying you have THE WITNESS Yeah I dont remember no recollection at all is that correct like A Yeah BY MR LUTIIER MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Well you said yeah right BY MR LUTIIER A No but youre youre youre I dont All right Now isnt it a fact that you even know if it was a question have made this statement to people other than Lauren MR LUTIIER Well here well lets just Murphy between January of06 and January of09 go back and read my question and her answer that everybody that went to see Jeffrey Epstein knew Listen carefully now exactly what they were getting into did it THE WITNESS Yeah voluntarily and its outrageous that they would sue The requested portion of the record was him read by the reporter MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WITNESS No not in all of those THE WITNESS Yeah conversations BY MR LUTTIER BY MR LUTTIER Yeah And who else did you make that In many of them statement to A No Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page In any of them A Yeah Okay That is you represented to your friends and you-all sat around and discussed it did you not MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LU1TIER Didnt you A Yeah we brought it up Yeah And when you brought tell me some of the people that were in these groups that you would discuss it A I dont remember You know Jane Doe No was there dont you A Yeah You know Lauren was there dont you A Yeah You know that some more people were there dont you A No I dont remember who was all there You know that at least the three of you had the discussion A Yeah And in Page A There might have been more but I dont remember And in that discussion you-all said that you-all knew what you were getting into and you did it voluntarily didnt you A Thats what I said I dont know MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUTTIER You said it A I know Ive said that before All right A I dont know if it was BY MR LU1TIER And when you said MR MERMELSTEIN Wait Hold it Shes in the middle of her answer MR LUTTIER Okay MR MERMELSTEIN Please finish your answer THE WITNESS I know I have said that before I am not saying that I said that Ive said that in every single BY MR LU1TIER Okay A every conversation and Im not saying Page that theyve said that and that that theyve agreed upon what I said Okay But we now have established that you have said that A Yeah Ive said that yeah And it was true when you said it wasnt it A Was it true Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection THE WITNESS Yeah I I mean BY MR LUTTIER Okay A at that time whenever And and you didnt change your mind about that until you were interviewed by the FBI and then a lawyer contacted you about suing Jeffrey Epstein isnt that right MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WITNESS No BY MR LUTTIER Isnt that right A Wait Before the FBI like youre talking like I dont even remember whenever I brought up this conversation so I dont even know Page if it was before or after the FBI Youre bringing up my like lawyer Youre bringing FBI lawyer caught like bringing up all this stuff I dont remember whenever I made the statement so I dont know if it was before or after I had talked to these people So you may have made the statement that everybody knew what they were getting into and did it voluntarily and it was outrageous to sue Jeffrey Epstein even after the point in time A I dont remember whenever I you went to you are lawyer is that right A I dont remember whenever I made that statement so I dont know whether it was before or after my my lawyers and I dont know if it was before or after I had spoken to the FBI Before you filed this lawsuit you had represented that everything you did with Jeffrey Epstein was up front you knew about it and you did it voluntarily didnt you A Yeah And that was the truth wasnt it A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page BY MR LUTIIER Jeffrey Epstein never asked you to do anything that you didnt want to do did he A He asked me to talce my underwear off one time And you said no and he didnt press it right A No Then you went back to him again after that A Yeah And you took your top off without even him even asking right A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN This has all been asked and answered BY MR LUTIIER Then you took your you actually took your underwear off after that that is your panties didnt you A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN All been asked and answered BY MR MERMELSTEIN Did you do it without him asking Page A He asked and I did it You didnt say no did you A after after after saying no several times And each time you said no he didnt press it You left your panties on right A Finally I I gave in and I said fine Yeah Well that was after you got paid and then you came back again and you said no and he didnt have you talce your panties off right A No verbal response Correct A Yeah And you got and you came back again and you said no and he didnt have you talce your panties off right MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and answered BY MR LUTTIER Right A Yeah And you got paid right A Yeah And you came back a fourth time and again he asked you to talce your pantys off A Yeah Is that right A No verbal response Is that right A Yeah And then i you agree to do it A Yeah Voluntarily A Yeah Page Okay And then did you come back another time A Yeah And did you talce your bra off and talce your panties off A Yeah MR MERMELST IN Objection asked and answered BY MR LUTTIER And give him a massage in the nud A Yeah You did it voluntarily without him even asking on that occasion didn you A Yeah And thereaft did you come and give him Page massages in the total nude without him even asking you to talce your clothes off MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and 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voluntarily took all your clothes off without him even asking you werent there MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and answered THE WITNESS I dont know I dont remember BY MR LUITIER Now you dont know A Im sure I So it did happen A I dont remember so I dont know Well was this a significant were these significant events in your life or not A Yeah they were MR MERMELSTEIN Objection argumentative THE WITNESS But I had gone there BY MR LUITIER But you cant remember what happened THE COURT REPORTER One at a time MR LUITIER Huh THE COURT REPORTER One at a time MR LUITIER Okay Page Page what you just said You dont remember what happened each time do you A Yes I do Well I thought you just said you dont remember A After no I do remember Oh okay A But I dont remember if he asked me to take my clothes off every single time or ifl voluntarily did it Do you remember A Yeah I or do you not remember A Yeah I yes I voluntarily MR MERMELSTEIN Objection asked and answered BY MR LUITIER Okay You volunteered to take your clothes off right A Ifhe asked me yes Well there were times you came and he didnt even ask you anything and you took them off right A Yeah Okay And you were comfortable being Page BY MR LUTTIER naked in front of him You cant remember what happened A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Take your time Wasnt the first time you had been naked BY MR LUTTIER in front of a man on these significant events A Not the first time I was naked in front of A Yeah I do I remember but its I was him I wasnt comfortable going there two or three times a week So after Did you tell him you werent comfortable going there the first time and it getting A No progressively worse I mean it was the same it was So how was he supposed to know like the same thing every single time I went after MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form that moment I had taken my clothes off argumentative speculation So after I had taken I remember so BY MR LUTTIER when I had finally when I had all my clothes off How was he supposed to know of course I remember I mean I dont remember A I dont know you know I took all my clothes off that one time Because every time you said you were Im not going to remember the next time what uncomfortable about something or didnt want to do happened the three times after you took off your it he respected your wishes did he not clothes did he ask you that time MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Maybe he did I dont remember but Im THE WllNESS Yeah but he was also like sure maybe I took some of my clothes off without complimenting me and saying how beautiful I am him asking Maybe he you know after I took all my and saying that I shouldnt be like like clothes off you know it was just kind of like embarrassed or uncomfortable like you know known and given that that is what goes on like If I ifl would look like it Ifl had my thats what happens other side if I looked like I was Jane Doe _2 Le le ak ur th at un ers ood ort fo rm in st a Jan Do a Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page then he would be like oh well youre beautiful BY MR LUTIIER Would you agree with me you werent traumatized because the man said you were beautiful were you MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form argumentative THE WI1NESS No BY MR LUTIIER He treated you better than the person that you described as the first love of your life Preston Vinyard didnt he A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUTIIER Preston Vinyard called you a whore a slut and a cunt didnt he A Yeah Jeffrey Epstein never did that did he A No He spit in your thats Mr Vinyard spit in your face dumped beer all over you A Yeah didnt he Jeffrey Epstein never did Page that did he A No And it was traumatizing to you what Preston Vinyard did to you wasnt it MR MERMELSIBIN Objection to form calls for a conclusion BY MR LUITIER It would be to anybody A It would be to anybody yeah Okay All right MR CRITTON The time How much time do you have left TI-IE VIDEOGRAPHER About three BY MR LUITIER Now there were some other traumatic events that had occurred in your life havent there been MR MERMELSIBIN Objection thats been asked and answered TI-IE WI1NESS Yeah BY MR LUITIER When you went to see Dr Kliman did you understand that you were what did you understand about what you were to tell him MR MERMELSIBIN Objection Page THE WI1NESS I wasnt told to tell him anything BY MR LUTIIER What did you understand about what you were supposed to do when he asked you a question A Nobody told me to tell him anything So when he asked a question you didnt know if you were supposed to answer A I answered honestly I answered whenever he asked me a question about my personal life I I mean I was supposed to tell him about my person life nobody knows So let me make sure we have this You answered honestly every question Dr Kliman asked you is that right A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection BY MR LUTIIER Now I want to be fair to you We got a transcript of your interview with Dr Kliman Are you aware of that A Yeah Okay Have you had a chance to review it A No not like since Ive been there Now so now that you know we have a Page transcript I want to make sure were clear every question that Dr Kliman answered of sic you you answered truthfully correct MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WITNESS Yeah I think so I mean yeah BY MR LUTTIER You told him did you tell him about all the traumatic things that happened to you in your life A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form BY MR LUTTIER You say youre Roman Catholic A Yeah How many abortions have you had A Howmany Yeah how many as in more than one A Yeah How many have you had A Three Three abortions And how many did you tell Dr Kliman you had A I dont even know if he asked me the question Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page How about the question have you ever been pregnant do you remember being asked that question A No I dont Well if the transcript shows that you were asked that question and if you were honest with Dr Kliman like you told us you would you would have told him that you had three pregnancies wouldnt you A I would have stated that to like my lawyer though because No no no I want to know about Dr Kliman MR MERMELSTEIN Dont talk about what you told your lawyer BY MR LUTHER Yeah I dont want to ask you about your lawyer I know you tell your lawyer all kinds of stuff A Uh-huh MR MERMELSTEIN Objection BY MR LUTIIER I want to know whether or not if Dr Kliman asked you if youd ever had any pregnancies A That is Page you would have answered him truthfully and you would have told him you had three pregnancies wouldnt you A I dont Its something I dont want anybody to know in fact no Why not Why dont you want people to know A Whynot you went and aborted three kids Why wouldnt you want people to know that MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form argumentative BY MR LU1TIER Tell me why you wouldnt want them to know that A Because its none of their business Does it cause you any upset to know that you aborted three kids in your life A Of course Why does it cause you upset A Because somebodys life Were you told before each of these abortions that you had what they call viable fetuses MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Page THE WITNESS What is viable BY MR LlITTIER That is there was a heartbeat in the fetus A No Are you sure A I didnt want to know anything about it Are your sure you werent told you had a viable fetus A It might have been in the papers that I signed I dont Im not sure that I I want to be fair to you I want to tell you weve got your medical records too okay A Yeah So the records from your gynecologist we have those too A Okay Now were you told before you aborted these three children A I dont know that you had a viable fetus A I dont know I dont remember Does it give you any any emotional pain that you aborted three fetuses A Yeah I have had emotional pain about it Page Its contrary to everything you ever learned as a child as a Roman Catholic isnt it A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection argumentative BY MR LUTIIER Does your mom know you aborted three kids A No Does your dad know you aborted three kids A No What do you think theyd think MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form argumentative THE WITNESS I dont know BY MR LUTTIER Do you think theyre going to be happy about that MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form argumentative THE WITNESS No BY MR LUTTIER Is it going to cause you a little emotional upset MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form THE WITNESS I mean I have I have to Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page deal with it when I talk to when I speak to Did you tell him them A I dont BYMR.LUITIER the first visit My question is is it going to cause you A I dont remember what visit I told him any emotional upset but I know I told him MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form Okay He is the first guy you ever told Tiffi WITNESS I dont know because I right havent experienced it Im sure A First guy that I ever told BY MR LUITIER The first doctor medical health Wouldnt you agree with me that aborting professional that you told you had you aborted three fetuses three fetuses didnt you A Yeah A Yeah would be far more traumatic You didnt tell Kliman did you A It is A No than giving a man a massage in the Didnt want Kliman to know nude A I didnt want anybody to know that no MR MERMELSTEIN Objection Because its embarrassing to you isnt argumentative it BY MR LUITIER A Yeah Wouldnt you agree with me It makes you feel bad doesnt it MR MERMELSTEIN Objection A Yeah BY MR LUTilER Tell me how it makes you feel I want you to tell the ladies and MR MERMELSTEIN Objection gentlemen of the jury whether or not aborting three BY MR LUTTIER fetuses is more traumatic than giving a man a How do you feel that you aborted three Page Page massage in the nude babies MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form asked BY MR LUTilER and answered Just tell the ladies and gentlemen in the THE WI1NESS How do I feel camera yes or no BY MR LUTTIER A Yeah Tell me how you feel MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form A How would you feel BY MR LUTilER Well I know how Id feel but thats not Did you go get any psychological help for the question the fact that you aborted three kids A Yeah MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form I want to know how you feel Tiffi WITNESS No A It was very upsetting and emotional BY MR LUITIER How upsetting Are you telling Dr Ruepto Rubello sic MR MERMELSTEIN Objection to form whatever his name is that you had three abortions argumentative A Have I told him MR CRITTON Mark you have no time Yeah MR LUTTIER Okay A Yeah THE VIDEOGRAPHER Were off the record at And did you tell him how you felt about This is the end of Tape that A briefrecess was held MR MERMELSTEIN Objection Tiffi WITNESS Yeah BY MR LUITIER And when did you tell him that A I dont remember Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A allows I abase amount Abbott 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