Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of i UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO 08-CV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO Plaintiff vs VOLUME I OF I JEFFREY EPSTEIN Defendant Related cases VIDEO-CONFERENCED AND VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JANE DOE NO Tuesday October p.m Australian Avenue South Suite West Palm Beach Florida Reported By Cynthia Hopkins RPR FPR Notary Public State of Florida Prose Court Reporting PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Page Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of APPEARANCES On behalf of the Plaintiff l.M and E.W MICHAEL WHEELER ESQUIRE ROTHSTEIN ROSENFELDT ADLER East Las Olas Boulevard Suite Fort Lauderdale Florida Phone On behalf of Jane Does through ADAM HOROWITT ESQUIRE STUARTS MERMELSTEIN ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN HOROWITT P.A Biscayne Boulevard Suite Miami Florida Phone E-mail Ahorowitz sexabuseattorney.com On behalf of C.M.A RICHARD HORACE WILLITS ESQUIRE RICHARD WILLITS P.A 10th Avenue North Suite Lake Worth Florida Phone Via Telephone On behalf of the Defendant Jeffrey Epstein ROBERT CRITTON JR ESQUIRE MARKT LUTTIER ESQUIRE BURMAN CRITTON LUTTIER COLEMAN LLP Banyan Boulevard Suite West Palm Beach Florida Phone ALSO PRESENT Jeffrey Epstein via video conference Jeff Abbott Videographer Visual Evidence Incorporated Page Page WITNESS INDEX DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS JANE DOE NO BY MR LUTTIER EXHIBITS EXHIBIT DESCRIPTION PAGE DEFENDANTS EX Proposal for Settlement DEFENDANTS EX Answers to Interrogatories DEFENDANTS EX Petition for Injunction DEFENDANTS EX Handwritten Note DEFENDANTS EX Psychological/Social History Page PROCEEDINGS Deposition taken before Cynthia Hopkins Registered Professional Reporter and Florida Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large in the above cause THE VIDEOGRAPHER This is the 27th day of October The time is a.m This is the videotape deposition of Jane Doe No in the matter of Jane Doe No versus Epstein This deposition is being held at South Australian Avenue West Palm Beach Florida My name is Jeff Abbott I am the videographer representing Visual Evidence Incorporated Will the attorneys please announce their appearances for the record MR HOROWill Sure Adam Horowitz counsel for Plaintiff Jane Doe No MR LUTTIER Mark Luttier counsel for Jeff Epstein MR CRITTON Robert Critton on behalf of Mr Epstein MR HOROWill Let me just do a Page MR WILLITS Rick Willits on behalf of Carolyn Andriana MR HOROWm Let me just note a brief objection Per the letter that we have written to you we intend to object and instruct our client not to answer to the extent there are questions whose answers will implicate Rule The issue of Rule is is before the court in a pending motion and before the depo was set we fully briefed the issue before the court and have noted our intent to object to questions which implicate that question that rule MR CRITTON deals with the MR HOROWm Sexual sexual history MR CRITTON sexual history and our we briefed it MR HOROWill We briefed it MR CRITTON on both sides and our position is is Judge Johnson was pretty clear in her order with regard to CME and with regard to this medical exam that was done by Dr Hall in the Carolyn Andriana case as to why its relevant and why its material and why its important We understand your position dont Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page agree with it and well proceed MR LUTTIER Ready THE COURT REPORTER Yes MR LUmER Please state your name Oh you have to swear her in Thereupon OANEDOENO Having been first duly sworn or affirmed was examined and testified as follows THE WITNESS Yes DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR LUmER What is your name maam A Jane Doe No And how do you spell your middle name A Witness spells middle name And your last name is Mr Luttier spelled the witnes last name A Yes Okay Jane Doe No when were you born A June MR WILLITS I can barely hear the witness can we get it a little closer to her MR HOROWm Yes Page BY MR LUffiER Have you ever been known by any other name A No Have you ever been deposed before A Deposed That is have your deposition taken as were doing today A No Have you ever given anybody any kind of statement under oath before A The police reports you mean Could be yeah A Yeah All right Do you know what the significance of an oath is A Yeah where you tell the truth Okay You understand you are under oath today A Yes Do you know what the significance of violating an oath is A Witness shakes head Like if you dont tell the truth when youre under oath do you know Page A Yeah youre in trouble Okay You know thats against the law to do that A Yeah All right And you know there are criminal sanctions associated with A Yes lying under oath And have you been have you been taught at any time in your lifetime the importance of telling the truth A Yeah And when do you recall first being taught the importance of telling the truth A Ever since I was a little girl my parents taught me Okay And have to the best of your knowledge have you always told the truth when you are under oath A Yeah Well when I was well certain times yeah when I was scared I didnt know what to do I mean yeah I mean like under an interview like what are you trying to Have you always told the truth when youve been under oath Thats my question to you A Like as if today Page As of from the day you were born until today as you sit here now A Yeah What was your answer A Yeah All right So at any point in time that you ever told anybody A Under oath is that like when police ask you a question is that being under oath I mean when somebody A Because I dont think Ive I dont think Ive ever been under oath like besides like this moment I think when somebody asks you and tells you that you are giving a sworn statement A I guess like if I were MR HOROWm Are you testifying Let me object to the form MR LUmER My question stands MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Like if you write a like pre-statement or something like that BY MR LUmER No If someone says to you or asks you is everything that you say true and correct Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A Yeah Okay Have you always answered that And if you answer yes to that you question when its been asked of you truthfully understand youre telling them that what you have A Yes most of the time Yes told them is true and correct That wasnt my question My question was MR HOROWITT Object to the form have you always answered that question truthfully BY MR LUTTIER MR HOROWm Form Is that right THE WITNESS I feel like youre asking me A Yeah the same question and Ive already answered Okay So at any point in time that you BY MR LUTTIER have given a statement to anyone under oath youve You just answer my question maam Do always told the truth correct you need the court reporter to read it back to you MR HOROWITT Object to the form MR HOROWITT Object to the form Asked THE WITNESS Yeah and answered BY MR LUffiER THE WITNESS Ask me again Do you know of times that youve lied when BY MR LUffiER you are under oath Have you always answered the question if A Not under oath but when Ive been asked someone says to you is everything youve told me questions by the police Ive been scared not true and correct have you always answered that know not knowing what to do that I didnt like question truthfully speak the whole truth A In the past no Well your parents when you were taught So youve lied in the past is that right from a young age to tell the truth did they did MR HOROWITT Form they tell you to tell the truth to police officers THE WITNESS Yeah A Ive my parents never sat me down and BY MR LUffiER was like if youre going to be in front of the Okay Who did you lie to maam Page Page police tell the truth They never thought in their A The police officers that first invest wildest dreams that I would be under be in the asked me questions whenever this whole thing went presence of police officers so theyre not they down dont sit me down if a police officer asks you they You lied to police officers have only just told me tell the truth A No I didnt lie to them I was scared They have told you and I didnt tell them the whole truth A They have never said oh if a police Did you tell them the truth or did you not officer comes up to you and asks you to speak the tell them the truth truth tell them the truth They have never they A No I did tell them the truth but I just told me like knowledge like the parents give to didnt tell them everything kids like teaching their kids to grow Did you answer their questions truthfully So they taught you to tell the truth A Yes Most of the questions that they under all circumstances whether you are under oath asked me I dont remember or not under oath is that right Well I dont mean most I want to know if A Yeah you answered every question that And they told you to tell the truth to MR HOROWITT Thats her answer Object everybody whether they were a police officer or not to the form a police officer correct BY MR LUffiER A Yeah they asked you truthfully And you certainly know that if someone A I dont I dont recall the questions says to you and asks you a question specifically is they were asking me everything that you have said is true you know that Well have you seen a transcript of the theyre asking you whether or not what you have just interrogation and the questioning that they had with told them is true dont you you A Yeah A Probably three years ago Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Okay Well when you read the transcript A I dont remember I dont recall MR HOROWITT Just wait BY MR LUffiER You need to let me finish my question MR HOROWITT Let him finish his question BY MR LUffiER When you read the transcript were your answers all truthful A I dont remember the questions that they asked I dont remember the questions I dont know what exact questions I dont want to play semantics with you maam My question is when you read the transcript were all of your answers truthful MR HOROWITT Object to the form asked and answered THE WITNESS I dont MR HOROWm You already answered BY MR LUffiER Go ahead and answer my question A I dont I dont yeah I already answered your question I dont know what you want Page Its not what I want you to say maam I want you to answer my question And my question was when you read the transcript were all and I emphasize the word all of your answers as reflected in that transcript truthful A No So and this was about three years ago you claim you saw a transcript of some interview between you and some police officers A The police officer with regarding Jeffrey Epstein The question the first interview the first interview I had with the police officers And you say this happened three years ago A No Last time I looked over it First time I got interviewed I dont remember what date it was It was probably like four years ago and this happened when I first got interviewed by those cops Youre talking about the police officers A That they came and asked me questions And where did they come to ask you questions A At my school Page And that was what school A Lynn University And it was two officers from what agency A I dont even know how many officers there was I dont remember You just its just a blank in your mind A I know that there were officers there Is it a blank in your mind how many officers were there A Yes I dont recall Do you have any problem with your memory A No Okay Do you know why you cant recall how many officers were there MR HOROWm Form THE WITNESS Because it was a while ago BY MR LUffiER Was it more well okay A It was a scary situation So youre saying that as time passes your recollection begins to fade is that right A No MR HOROWm Object to the form Page BY MR LUffiER Your recollection doesnt fade with the passage of time is that right MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS No I remember certain I remember certain things but small details like that BY MR LUffiER Okay Small detail what youve described A The cops like theyre might have been two There might have been three I dont I wasnt paying attention Like how many cops there was I dont know Are you describing when you say small detail are you describing A No not small detail I didnt mean it like say it like that I dont know how many cops there were I dont Are you describing the event where where police officers interview you as being a small detail MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS No Its not a small detail Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page BY MR LUIBER Was it a significant event in your life A Yes it was Had police officers often interviewed you before that A No I have had before but no this was just Youd had interaction with police agencies before this interview revolving involving Mr Epstein hadnt you A Yeah but thats MR HOROWm Just answer his question THE WITNESS Right MR HOROWm yes or no THE WITNESS Yeah BY MR LUIBER What police agencies had you had interaction with before you had this interview with regard to Mr Epstein A Royal Palm Beach cops And did you tell them the truth or did you lie to them A Yes I told them the truth So on that occasion A Yes Page you knew that what you should do is tell the truth A Uh-huh All right And how did you know that what you ought to do is tell the Royal Palm Beach Police the truth A Because do you mean like how do I know it was the right thing to do Because it was the truth How did you know it was the right thing to do A Because it was the truth and my parents like taught me to tell the truth And how long was it before this interview in the Epstein matter that you you had interaction with the Royal Palm Beach Police Mr Wheeler entered the room MR WHEELER Good morning THE WITNESS A year maybe BY MR LUffiER Okay So one year prior to your interview with police officers with respect to the Jeffrey Epstein matter you had been interviewed by the Royal Palm Beach Police and you knew to tell them the truth correct Page A Yeah Now did anything happen between the date that you were interviewed by the Royal Palm Beach Police officers and you knew to tell the truth and the date that you interviewed were interviewed by the police officers with Jeffrey Epstein that caused you to forget that you should tell the truth when youre being interviewed by police officers MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS I was sexually abused and I was scared BY MR LUIBER And as a result of that you forgot that you were supposed to tell the truth A I didnt forget I was scared So you intentionally didnt tell the truth to the police officers is that correct A No I didnt know what to I didnt know if I was going to get in trouble I was I didnt know I thought I didnt know what to do Did A I was scared Did someone tell you that if you were going to get in trouble that was an excuse not to tell the truth Page MR HOROWm Object form THE WITNESS No BY MR LUffiER You knew that it was an important matter that the police officers were coming to talk to you about didnt you A Yeah It was a very significant matter in your life wasnt it A Of course And you knew what you had to do was tell these officers the truth didnt you MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUffiER Correct A For the most yes Well you knew that thats what you were supposed to do right A Yeah That was the right thing to do and thats what youd always been taught to do isnt that right A Yeah Okay Now from from this point in time that you say the police officers came to interview Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page you at Lynn University do you recall what year that Beach police the Jupiter police and the FBI was Youve been interviewed by all those police agencies A in the past And do you remember what month it was A Yes A No Probably no Middle of my And each time one of those police agencies freshman year interviewed you you knew you were to tell the Does October refresh your recollection truth correct A October November A Yeah So October or November of you were MR HOROWITT Object to the form interviewed by one or more police officers at Lynn BY MR LUffiER University is that correct Did you when you were interviewed by A Yeah Royal Palm Police agency what was it with respect But you dont know how many officers to A No A It was about what do you mean what was Do you know what agency they were from it with respect to A Palm Beach Florida What were they interviewing you about And how do you recall that the police were A My ex-boyfriend from Palm Beach the the individuals interviewing Who is that you were from the Palm Beach police A Preston A Because thats where everything happened Preston who was in Palm Beach A Vinyard Well you have been interviewed by other Is that the only time you were interviewed police agencies besides the Palm Beach police by the Royal Palm Beach Police havent you MR HOROWITT Object to the form MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS Yeah Page Page THE WITNESS Yeah BY MR LUTTIER BY MR LUffiER Have you ever been arrested by the Royal Who else has interviewed you Palm Beach Police Department MR HOROWm Form A Yeah BY MR LUffiER And when was that What other police agencies have A When I was when was that interviewed you Uh-huh A Royal Palm Palm Beach and Jupiter A When I was Any other police agency And by police Okay And when was that Whats the agency I mean any kind of police agency date A FBI A The exact date I dont federal agency state agency local Roughly agency any type of police agency A remember I dont remember A FBI Do you know well whens your birthday So youre adding FBI now to your list Its in June right A Well is that is that part is that A June part of this Okay And it was it was when you were Yeah the FBI is a police agency between the ages of and A FBI somebody from I dont remember A Uh-huh what it was like somebody I am guessing the State And what were you what were you somebody that was wanted to see me like help me arrested for like psychologic like help me like through this A It was the middle it was during the I dont remember Im guess yeah thats all Im school year when I was and I dont remember date sure or month So you have Royal Palm police the Palm And what were you arrested for Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of A DUI Okay And did did you have a discussion or an interview with the police agency when they arrested you for DUI A No Did you have any discussion with a police officer at that time when you were arrested A They they no it was for DUI like they dont sit and interview you or write a statement Did they ask you any questions A Yeah have you been drinking Did you answer any questions that the police asked you on that occasion A Yes Did you answer truthfully A Yes Did you know that thats what you were supposed to do A Yes MR HOROWITT Form BY MR LUmER Page Okay Have you have you had any other interaction with the Royal Palm Beach Police Department other than when you were arrested for DUI Page and an interview about your ex-boyfriend Preston Vinyard A No How many times were you interviewed by the Royal Palm Beach Police Department with respect to Preston Vinyard A Maybe twice or three times And do you recall when that was A No I dont And was that a significant event to you that is you being interviewed by the Royal Palm Beach Police Department with respect to your ex-boyfriend Preston Vinyard A Was it significant Yeah an important event in your life A Yeah any from the police yeah It was the police interviewing me about my relationship yeah So so you considered that to be an important event in your life A It wasnt not now no At the time was it an important event A Yeah And on the first time that they interviewed you about your ex-boyfriend Page Preston Vinyard what did they ask you about A I dont remember I dont know what the first time There was several I mean I dont remember There were several times that the police interviewed you with respect to something A Two or three times I told you that And generally what were those interviews about A Our relationship And what caused the police to be interviewing you on two or three occasions about your ex-boyfriend Preston Vinyard MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS His drink our relationship BY MR LUIBER What do you mean your relationship Explain what you mean by that A His drinking Why would the police be interviewing you about your boyfriends drinking MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Because there was an abusive situation at one time Page BY MR LUIBER What do you mean by abusive A Where he he it was I dont even remember It was it was a while It was just one time I mean we got in like an argument and I think the cops were called and that was what happened Well you said it had to do with a if I remember your testimony an abusive situation And Ive asked you to clarify what you mean by abusive situation And you say there was an argument and the cops were called Can you give me more A No there was specifics about what this abusive situation was A There was a time where he he would drink a lot He was an alcoholic and he would get out of control when he drank And he would raise his voice get loud And there was one time where he got violent with me What do you mean by he got violent with you A He was in my face and bit my finger What do you mean when you say he was in your face Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of A It means he was in my face arguing argument You mean he was close A Yes Page We were his face was close in proximity to yours A Yeah And he bit your finger A Uh-huh Was that MR HOROWm Instead of uh-huh just say yes THE WITNESS Yes BY MR LUTTIER I assume that while that event was transpiring it was a significant event to you A Yeah when it happened Did it scare you A Uh-huh Did it did it cause A Yes MR HOROWITT Thank you THE WITNESS Sorry BY MR LUTTIER Did it cause you to have fear Page A Yeah Fear of him I would assume A Yeah Has up to that point in time how did it compare to any other event that had happened in your life in terms of the shock to you and the trauma it caused you A It was shocking but it made me strong and Ive moved on from that At the point in time that this interaction happened that youve described between you and Mr Vinyard where he bit your finger and he was in your face A Uh-huh was that the most traumatic thing that had ever happened to you in your life as of that point in time A No Had you had other boyfriends do the same thing to you A No What was a more traumatic event that had happened to you at that point in time than the event where your ex-boyfriend was in your face and bit your finger Page MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS What is a more traumatic time BY MR LUffiER Yeah What was more traumatic than that that had happened to you in your life as of that point in time A Meeting Jeffrey Epstein Meeting Mr Epstein Do you mean physically being introduced to the man A No being sexually abused by Mr Epstein Okay And what do you mean by sexually abused MR HOROWITT Take your time THE WITNESS Being fingered by him having him use a vibrator on me grabbing my nipples smelling my butt jerking off in front of me licking my clit several times BY MR LUffiER What several times licking your clit several times A Fingering me several times So licking your clit was not several times MR HOROWITZ Object to the form Page THE WITNESS No BY MR LUIBER Now when did this anything else A Witness shakes head Is the answer no A Yes its no MR HOROWITT Object to the form I dont think she even understands what the last question was BY MR LUIBER I said anything else A No Now when was the date that this event occurred where the police were summoned with Mr Vinyard A With Mr when what With Preston Vinyard when you say he was in your face and he bit your finger A Yeah When did that happen A I dont remember What year A Maybe or no I sorry I graduated maybe Had you met Mr Epstein at the time that Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page this event that youve described with Mr Vinyard occurred where he was in your face and bit your finger A I dont remember Yeah because I met Mr Epstein before or around the same time that I met Preston Well A I met him before I hung started before I was serious with Preston so yeah Well do you know when you first met Mr Epstein A Yeah when I was years old And how do you know thats when you first met him A Because it was the middle of my sophomore year I was years old my sophomore year And how do you know it was the middle of your sophomore year A Because thats when I was in class with Haley Robson and thats how I knew her and thats who brought me there Do you have any record of when you first met Mr Epstein that is any written record anywhere A Any written record Page Yep A On paper Whether its examples but I dont mean to limit my question examples could be you made a note somewhere you noted it on a calendar you wrote it down someplace A No Is there any record to the best of your knowledge anywhere in the world that establishes the first date upon which you met Mr Epstein A No So the sole basis for you to have for you claiming that you met Mr Epstein in the middle of your sophomore year A I did is your recollection is that right A Yes Have you ever told anyone in the world that you met Mr Epstein for the first time at some other time A No Are you sure A From what I can recall yeah I dont I mean I dont recall but I dont see why I wouldnt tell the truth like tell them thats when Page I met him when I did Well were going to come back to why you would tell people something that is not true but Ill get to that later MR HOROWITT Move to strike argumentative BY MR LUTTIER Now you say you first met Mr Epstein when you were in the middle of your sophomore year and you said somebody Haley Robson you mentioned A Yes she introduced you to him A Uh-huh What do you mean she introduced you to him A She brought me to his house What do you mean she brought you to his house A She drove me to her his house Had you had some sort of discussion with Haley Robson about going to Mr Epsteins before she drove you to his house for the first occasion A Yeah Had you had more than one discussion with Page Haley Robson about going to Mr Epsteins house before she drove you there for the first time A More than one conversation about going there Yep A Yeah And how many conversations did you have with Haley Robson about going to Mr Epsteins house before you went there for the first time A Probably two once on the phone and once on the way there And how how long was it or approximately how long was it before you went there that you had your conversations with Haley Robson about going to Mr Epsteins house before you went there for the first time A Ask that one more time please Do you know what the word prior means It means before A Before it happened Okay Prior to you going to Mr Epsteins house for the first time how long was it before that that you had this conversation with Haley Robson Was it like a month beforehand two months beforehand six months beforehand Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A I dont remember So sometime between December of and Do you do you have any idea at all January of you to use your words ran into A No Haley Robson at Dr Feelgoods Do you have any approximation A Uh-huh A No in downtown West Palm Beach Do you have any record of your A Yeah conversations with her Was it an accidental meeting A No A Yes Whether its writing or recorded or or was it a planned meeting A No MR HOROWITT This will help you out or any other manner Have you ever had Just kind of wait until hes discussions with Haley Robson about Mr Epstein THE WITNESS Done talking since you went there for the first time MR HOROWITT hes done talking yeah A Yeah because you know its for both of your Have you had discussions with Haley Robson benefits about Mr Epstein since you were interviewed at Lynn THE WITNESS Sorry What University by the police department BY MR LUffiER A About Jeffrey Epstein Was it a coincidental meeting or had you About anything planned to meet her there A Yeah A Coincidental Okay Have you had discussions with Haley And why were you going to Dr Feelgoods Robson since you were interviewed at Lynn University on this occasion when you ran into her by the police department about Jeffrey Epstein A To hang out with friends A Yeah Were you going alone or were you alone And when did you last have a conversation A No I wasnt Page Page with Haley Robson about Jeffrey Epstein Who were you with A When we were out A Lauren Out What do you mean by Lauren who A I ran into her in a club A Murphy What club And who is Lauren Murphy A Dr Feelgoods A Used to be one of my friends And where is Dr Feelgoods located I assume A Downtown Clematis A Friend a friend of mine And when did you run into her at Okay Dr Feelgoods A Not used to be a friend of mine A Probably January maybe Okay Was anybody else did you go to January of what year Dr Feelgoods with this friend Lauren Murphy A or or it was maybe A Yes somewhere between Was there anybody else with you and Which is it or Lauren Murphy when you went to Dr Feelgoods A It was like January like right before in A No like January So the two of you had hooked up as they You mean say and were heading to Dr Feelgoods A like A We went out together The end of Okay And had you gone with Lauren Murphy A like December to some other place before you went to Okay Dr Feelgoods A Yeah the end of beginning of I A No we got ready at her her place and dont remember exactly what month but I know it was then went together in that time frame approximately Her place meaning what Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A Her house where shes staying too Does she live here locally or did she at A I think she took the semester off because that time she had something happen with her family I A Yeah remember And where did she live But she A Briar Bay A I dont know if she was still in school or Briar B-r-i-a-r if she was already off I dont remember A Uh-huh But this is at Lynn University Did she have a house or an apartment or A Lauren something there Yeah A She was staying with her boyfriend A No And who was that And you said she took the semester off A Brian A She didnt go to Lynn Brian who Oh she went to a different do you know A I dont I dont know his last name where she went Had you met him before A FAU A Uh-huh FAU What campus MR HOROWITT Yes A Boca Im pretty sure THE WITNESS Yes Sorry All right So all right How long had BY MR LUTTIER it been since you had seen Lauren Murphy before you And who drove on this occasion that you got together to go to Dr Feelgoods went to Dr Feelgoods A Shes a good friend of mine I see her I A I dont remember mean saw her often Did you have a car then And you two were at different colleges A Yes correct Page Page What car did you have then A Uh-huh A A white Saturn Would you see her often while you were Did Lauren Murphy have a car then each enrolled in your different colleges A Yes A Yes What did she have With what degree of frequency did you see A An Ultima Lauren Murphy Is there any record anywhere that you A Well we were friends We saw each other could consult to refresh your memory about who drove often Sometimes we maybe a week Sometimes Id on this occasion see her every day A No Even while you were at college when you went to Dr Feelgoods A I have been friends with her for years A Huh-uh Yes What kind of car did you say she had Well lets talk about in the year A An Ultima A Uh-huh Do you remember the color In the year you were a student at A Silver Lynn University for that entire year correct And why were you and Lauren Murphy getting A In the beginning of the year I probably together to go to Dr Feelgoods on this occasion in saw her about maybe once a week not even maybe December of or January of two maybe twice every two weeks I mean I A To hang out dont I dont remember And now by December of were you Lets break this down In the calendar already a student at Lynn University year you were a student at Lynn University for A I was still a student at Lynn University the entire year correct yes A Yes And was Lauren Murphy a student there In the calendar year Ms Murphy was Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page a student at FAU for the entire year A Yes I dont know if she was there for the entire year All right For some period at least she was a student A Yeah You lived did you live on the campus at Lynn I lived on campus Where did Ms Murphy live A A A A A With her boyfriend Boca On the FAU campus No in Briar Bay And Briar Bay is in what city Royal Palm Beach So so Ms Murphy was commuting from Yes Royal Palm Beach to the FAU campus in A Yes When when I asked you if you were living at Lynn University on campus I I meant that to mean full time Did you understand that A Yeah freshman through senior year Did you have an apartment or something Page ere A No Did you have a house there A No Did you have a dorm there A Dorm Okay What dorm did you live in A Newland N-e-w-I-a-n-d A Uh-huh And you were were you in the same dorm during the entire period of time in A From junior to senior year And your junior year was what year calendar year A to Okay All right Now during the time that you were living in that dorm and Ms Murphy was commuting back and forth to FAU from Royal Palm Beach in the calendar year with what degree of frequency did you personally see Ms Murphy A Of Of A I dont know She was my friend I saw her once a week maybe Page Earlier you mentioned that in the beginning of the year you thought you might have seen her every day A On weekends like when I when I had I played soccer I dont know exactly my when I was in my soccer schedule when I was traveling a lot for soccer I had soccer games So whenever I wasnt playing soccer I hung out with Lauren All right Then give me your if you cant give me more specifics give me your best approximation of what degree of frequency A Once a week maybe Okay And that would be A Or maybe I would maybe I would see her maybe twice that month Did there come a time in the calendar year that you saw her with greater frequency A When my season soccer season ended And when is that A It ended in October So starting in October of did you begin to see Ms Murphy more frequently A Yes Now how long had Lauren Murphy been a friend of yours Page A Maybe five six years Wait sophomore junior senior freshman Yeah like five years And when did you first meet her when you were in high school A Uh-huh Yes Was she in the same class as you were A No Was she ahead of you in high school A Yes How many years A One year All right On this occasion when you and Lauren Murphy went to Dr Feelgoods and ran into Haley Robson did you indicated that you had a conversation with Haley Robson about Jeff Epstein Do you recall that testimony A Yes And was it just the three of you that were present for this conversation that is you Lauren Murphy and Haley Robson A No it was just me and Haley Just you and Haley And where was Lauren Murphy at the time of this conversation A Dancing and hanging out with a guy She wasnt sober Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Was there ever she what A She wasnt sober Were you sober A Yes And did this interaction occur when you first got there or after you had been there for some period of time A We had been there probably minutes Was Lauren Murphy sober when she got there MR CRITTON Are you saying Lauren or Haley Im sorry MR LUTTIER No Lauren BY MR LUTTIER Yeah was Lauren Murphy sober when you got there MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS No we both went there together BY MR LUTTIER Was Lauren Murphy sober when you got there MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS No Well yeah When we left Dr Feelgoods no We went to Bradleys Page first BY MR LUTTIER When did you how long had you been at Bradleys A Maybe like two hours Was there any time on this occasion when you went to Dr Feelgoods that you and Haley Robson and Lauren Murphy were together talking A Lauren didnt really talk to Haley much that night She she was she said hi to her but she was like more like she wasnt like there She was like dancing having a good time so we just left And what was the conversation that transpired between you and Haley Robson regarding Jeff Epstein A She asked me if I was suing Mr Epstein And what did you say A I told her no because I didnt want to I didnt want to talk to her about the situation I was out And so you lied to your friend Haley Robson A Shes not my shes not a friend Was she ever a friend of yours Page A More of an acquaintance than a friend Me and her were never never really hung out Like moderations like hung out maybe for a month and then we wouldnt talk for four months Okay But in any event you were dishonest with her when she asked you if you were suing Jeff Epstein A Uh-huh because I didnt want to speak about it to her Well what else did you and she discuss about Jeff Epstein on that occasion A Nothing I told her I wasnt seeing him and I didnt want to talk about it Well there wouldnt have been anything to talk about if you werent seeing him right A Yeah MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER So what did you mean when you said you didnt want to talk about it A Nothing I just I didnt tell her I didnt want to talk about it I just said no and then I just we talked about what where shes been for the last like while Now I just want to clarify You Page understand that today you are under oath right A Yes And you understand that means that you have sworn that you are going to tell the truth A Yes MR HOROWITT Let me just you have instructed her and she she said she understood the oath so Im not sure where you are going I object to the form and move to strike BY MR LUTTIER Did you say anything else to Haley Robson on this occasion at Dr Feelgoods about Jeffrey Epstein MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS No BY MR LUTTIER Are you sure A Yes Did you say anything to Lauren Murphy on this occasion at Dr Feelgoods A No about Jeff Epstein A No I told her that I she saw Lauren there Me and her both seen Haley for the first Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page time in years and we saw her We were just like in shock and that was it Thats all we talked about like God I cant see I cant believe were seeing Haley here since the whole Jeffrey Epstein Thats the only conversation that me and Lauren had So how long did the conversation between you and Haley take A About about Mr Epstein Yeah A Like five seconds And that was the only thing that was said was what you just told me A About Mr Epstein yes Now you kind of indicated that you said Haley Robson was an acquaintance of yours A Uh-huh But did you tell me earlier that Haley Robson was the person that drove you over to Mr Epsteins the first time A Yeah So at that time that is the time she drove you over to Mr Epsteins was she more than an acquaintance of yours A We were friends on and off I never trust I could never trust her Page Why couldnt you trust her A Because she wasnt like truthful She was she there was she was shady about situations Shed be your friend one minute and then behind your back the next And how long did you know Haley Robson A How long have I known her or how long did I know her No at that time how long had you known her A I met her my sophomore year I dont think I dont know So from the beginning the first day you met her you A No I met her in class It was I know it was my Spanish class I dont know if it was fall or spring I just know I met her in my Spanish class In your junior year A No or sophomore year A My sophomore year So from the first time you met her did you know that she was somebody you couldnt trust A No Page What did you A In high school youre youre friends with somebody one day and youre not the next So when did you first learn that you felt that you couldnt trust Haley Robson A Whenever I introduced her to some of my friends and I later found out that she was talking about me behind my back What did you learn she was saying about you behind your back A I dont remember exactly what it was I just remember that she was saying stuff behind my back and that was the reason why we didnt get along We fought because of that occasion We got into a fistfight When did you get into a fistfight with Haley Robson A Probably like I dont know I dont even remember Sometime in high school sophomore junior year or sophomore to junior junior year sometime around then I dont remember Which was it You said you met her A I met her in in your sophomore year A Yeah sophomore year Page So MR CRITTON You guys are talking over one another MR LUmER Thank you MR CRITTON Were going to have a miserable record BY MR LUmER So was it the year that you met her that you got into a fistfight with her or the next year A I dont remember So anything any record from which you could consult to refresh your memory A No And where did this fistfight occur A I dont remember Was it a significant event in your life that youre having a fistfight with another girl in your sophomore year of high school or junior year of high school A I mean at that time Im sure but not Was that something that often happened in your life that way A No youd have a fistfight with another girl Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A No never And you have no A She like came at me MR HOROWm Just answer what he asks THE WITNESS Sorry BY MR LUTTIER What do you mean she came at you A Fighting me with her hands But you cant recall where that happened A At a party in high school So now you do recall where it happened A I dont know where it was We were out one night And what was the cause of the fight A Her talking behind my back and me asking her about it and Well what did she say behind your back A I dont remember This event that was youve described as being significant you dont recall what the specific cause of it was MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS No BY MR LUIBER And how long did this fistfight go on at Page this party A It wasnt she just came at me We didnt like touch each other like people pulled us back but it was about to like like become a fight She was like coming at me and somebody pulled her like off me And when did this occur in relationship to when she took you to Mr Epsteins for the first time A I dont remember Before or after she took you to Mr Epsteins for the first time A Oh this was after So there was some period of time between when you first met her in your sophomore year and this fight that you were friendly with her A When I first met her yes I didnt know MR HOROWITT Just answer what he asks THE WITNESS Sorry BY MR LUffiER Now you said that you had two conversations with Haley Robson before you went she took you to Mr Epsteins for the first time correct A Uh-huh Page And you said one of those was on the phone and one was in the car on the way to Mr Epsteins Have I got that right A Not on the phone In a car she drove me there in the car talking about it So there was two conversations The first conversation was between you and her on the phone A Yeah The second conversation was when you were in the car driving to Mr Epsteins A Yes All right Now how is it that you are able to recall that there were only two conversations between the two of you about A I said MR HOROWITT Wait for him to finish the question THE WITNESS Sorry I said it was possibly two conversations I didnt say that there was But from what I remember I said there was possibly two conversations BY MR LUIBER Could there have been more A Yeah Maybe I dont remember Okay And do you recall when the first Page phone conversation with Haley Robson was in relationship to the point in time that you were actually taken to Mr Epsteins A Do I remember sorry ask the question again Was it a month two months beforehand A No I dont remember What was the substance of your first conversation with Haley Robson about Jeffrey Epstein the one that you described as having taken place on the phone A What did the conversation consist of Yes A She said that theres this guy in Palm Beach that she knows that you get if you give him a massage and that you dont have to she said that like if he asks about your age dont say anything like not to tell him and I mean that was pretty much it Did she tell you anything else A No MR LUffiER Would you go back and read her answer for me The requested portion of the record was read by the reporter Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page BY MR LUIBER What did you mean when you started to say you dont have to What were you talking about dont have to What was she referring to A What do you mean dont nothing I was Well you said that she told you you dont have to and then you went off on something else A Nothing I know there was nothing that she said I dont have to I misphrased my words So she didnt say to you anything that you dont have to A No What do you mean dont like I dont have to tell him how old you are like your age I rephrased So what she said to you your best recollection is A Yeah she said like dont tell him you dont have to tell him your age or dont tell him your age A Dont tell him your age Okay And did she say anything else to A Not that I mean no Page Did she tell you anything else about what to expect or what would be expected of you A No she said that like he well she said I dont no I mean no She said like she made it seem like it wasnt like a big deal like all youre going to go there youre going to give him a massage youre going to get for it and then youre going to leave That wasnt my question My question was did she tell you anything else A No about what to expect Not a single word from her mouth about what to expect A No You mean to give him a massage Okay I got that You said she said you have to give him a massage and dont tell him how old you are Those are the only two things she told you before you went to Jeffrey Epsteins A About Mr Epstein Yes Well about anything else before you went to Mr Epsteins A Conversations Yeah Anything else she said to you before you went to Mr Epsteins A No Page So the only thing you knew was you were going to somebodys house in Palm Beach and you were going to give him a massage but you werent to tell him your age Is that what youre telling me MR HOROWITZ Object to the form THE WITNESS Witness nods head BY MR LUTTIER You need to audibly A Yeah And are you sure about that A Yeah Okay Have you ever told anybody in the world any different story about what you were told by Haley Robson MR HOROWITZ Object to the form THE WITNESS I mean not that I remember I dont I never really talked to anybody about this situation BY MR LUIBER Well thats not true We talked to MR HOROWITZ Excuse me Move to strike You cant testify BY MR LUTTIER Well didnt you tell me earlier that you talked to the Palm Beach Police you talked to the Page FBI you thought you talked to somebody from the State about this situation A Yeah other than people that come like ask me about it not like friends or like what are you like never mind I wont even My question was have you ever told anybody in the world anything different about what Haley Robson A Not that I remember no told you A No not that I remember You wouldnt have just made stuff up A No and told somebody some fabricated story would you A No So if you told somebody something else A No but no I it would have been the truth is that right A No verbal response If you told somebody anything else about what Haley Robson told you about what to expect it would have been the truth even though you dont recall it now is that correct Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS No Like BY MR LUTTIER No A Sorry Say that one more time Im so confused Say that one more time You wouldnt have made something up and told somebody something that wasnt true about what Haley Robson told you to expect A No I would not make something up MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER So if there is testimony about you telling others what Haley Robson told you to expect it would have been truthful MR HOROWITT Object to form BY MR LUTTIER what you told them correct MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS If thats what I said BY MR LUTTIER Yeah A If it was written down yeah For example lets just assume for purposes of this question you told the police Page officers that Haley Robson told you more than what you just told me A Well then I forgot what I said to the police officers Wait wait a minute A I am just remembering the specific details that I remembered that I will never forget Thats not my point Well youve apparently you are not sure if you forgot other things right A No If theres other there was like oh never mind Oh no were going to A I dont understand what youre trying to ask get I want to go through this I want to make sure that were very clear about what your recollection is A I am sorry I dont remember Let me put it to you straight A I am telling you what I remember Okay So youre not denying that you told police officers that Haley Robson told you more than what you just told me she told you to expect MR HOROWITT Object to form Page THE WITNESS I dont remember no BY MR LUTTIER to expect at Jeffrey Epsteins is that correct MR HOROWITZ Object to form BY MR LUffiER Do you want her to read it back to you A Yeah Shell read it back to you The requested portion of the record was read by the reporter THE WITNESS No she could have I don1 remember BY MR LUTTIER So Haley Robson could have told you a lot of other things about what to expect at Mr Epsteins but you just dont recall what she said as you sit here now is that right A Yeah Okay Like as you think about it now Haley Robson actually told you what to expect in terms of what you should wear or not wear didnt she A No MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER Youre sure of that A Yeah Did you ever tell anybody that Haley Page Robson told you what to expect in terms of what you should wear or not wear MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER when you went to Mr Epsteins A What I should wear Wear or not wear What was to be expected of you i.e would you be clothed would you not be clothed that kind of stuff A Yeah to wear clothes So thats all you recall as well strike that What did Haley tell you about what to wear or not wear A I dont remember You are not denying that she said something to you you just dont recall A I dont see why she would tell me to wear something Thats not my question Youre not denying that she told you something about what to Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page wear or not wear A I dont remember How about were there any statements Haley Robson made to you of whether it would be expected that you would have your clothes on or you would remove any portion of your clothes during the massage A No that Id keep my clothes on Did that did you have that conversation with Haley Robson before you went to Jeffrey Epsteins the first time A I dont remember So you dont know Youre not telling us under oath today that Haley Robson told you that you were going to go to Jeffrey Epsteins house give him a massage you were going to leave all your clothes on and you were going to get paid MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Yeah why would I take my BY MR LUffiER I am not asking you why maam The why is no matter I want to know whether youre denying A No I dont remember that that she told you anything about Page what would be expected in terms of whether you were going to have your clothes on MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS No I dont remember BY MR LUffiER Good but youre not denying that MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LLJmER she said something about it MR HOROWITT Thats the fifth time youve asked that question BY MR LUffiER Correct Is it yes or no MR HOROWm Well its not a yes or no Object to the form MR LLJmER I get to ask the questions MR HOROWITT Yeah and she said she gets to answer them She said I dont know BY MR LLJmER Is it a yes or a no A I dont MR HOROWITT I dont know is her answer Move on MR LlJTTIER Let me show you something maam Lets mark this as Exhibit No Page THE WITNESS What am I reading MR HOROWITT Nothing Just look it over Can we take a break MR LUffiER Yeah I was going to ask you just to let her look at that while we take a break MR HOROWITT Were going an hour so MR LUffiER Just mark that as Exhibit Defendants Exhibit No was marked for identification THE VIDEOGRAPHER Off the record at A brief recess was held THE VIDEOGRAPHER It is now BY MR LUffiER Maam I have now handed you whats been marked as Exhibit No Can you have you ever seen that document before A Yeah with my lawyer Have you ever seen that document MR HOROWITT She said yes with her lawyer MR LLJmER Oh did she Okay BY MR LLJmER So you have had an opportunity to review Page this before today A Uh-huh And youre aware of its contents MR HOROWITZ Let me just object to the to the exhibit as being used for any purpose in in this litigation And by that definition it cant be Its a statutory proposal for settlement BY MR LUffiER All right And and do you recall approximately how long ago you first saw this document A A while ago Whats your best approximation A I dont MR HOROWITT Dont wait for me Were on record THE WITNESS I dont know BY MR LUffiER Okay Was it six months a year Just a rough approximation A Yeah Do you understand what it is A Uh-huh Okay Thats a yes Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page A Yeah All right Now you say you your your recollection is that you first saw Mr Epstein in the middle of your sophomore year When was the last time that you were that you went to Mr Epsteins or saw him By saw him"I mean performed a massage on him or went to his house A It was like my freshman year in college Thats Lynn University A Uh-huh And that would be the year A Okay Well you graduated from high school in A June of That would have been when you turned right A Uh-huh Okay Then you started at Lynn University in about August of A Fall is that correct A Uh-huh correct in the fall So and then it was after you had started Lynn University you you were still going to Page Mr Epsteins correct A Uh-huh And do you recall when the last time you went to Mr Epsteins in relationship to when you were interviewed by the Palm Beach Police Department A Do I sorry ask the question again Yeah When was the last time you went to Mr Epsteins in relationship to when you were interviewed by the police at Lynn University A Sometime in like right before I went Literally it was days before you were interviewed by the police that you had been to Mr Epsteins wasnt it A I dont know Probably It was like October of that the police came to see you at Lynn University A Maybe I dont know I know I dont remember I know it was like sometime in I dont remember It was between like the middle of my freshman year Did you do you recall that when the police were there seeing you that that you had been to Mr Epsteins within less than ten days before Page they came to see you A Probably yeah I was there And with what degree of frequency did you go to Mr Epsteins between June of and October of That covers the summer of and the fall of A Maybe twice a week Every single time MR HOROWITT Hes saying summer and fall of BY MR LUTTIER Right do you know specifically A Maybe like whenever every time he was in town maybe like two to three times a week So for the month of June July August September and October thats five months your recollection is that you were going to Mr Epsteins twice a week during that period A Two or three times MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUffiER Two or three times per week A Uh-huh Every single time or every time he was in the States or in Palm Beach Well was he in Palm Beach for the entire Page period from June 1st of to October of MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS No not that I can remember He was always traveling BY MR LUffiER Do you know for what period of time he was in Palm Beach between June and October of A No Like whenever he would come down he would stay for I dont even know I mean So it would be a fair statement to say you dont know how often you went to Mr Epsteins A Yeah I do I went there every two or three times But I just dont every time he came he would come for the week and hed leave or maybe hed come for two days and then leave Maybe hed be down here for a month and then leave Can you tell me how many times you went to Mr Epsteins between June 1st of and October 31st of MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS How many times I went BY MR LUffiER Uh-huh A Well approximately approximately like or I dont know but approximately like to Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of times Okay In that time period A Like or yeah Page Okay Now during that entire time period actually from the 6th of June until October 31st of you were years of age correct A How old From June yeah From June 6th until October 31st you were years of age A Uh-huh correct On each occasion that you went to Mr Epsteins during the period from June 1st of through October 31st of you went voluntarily correct A Yeah I went there As a matter of fact every time that you went to Mr Epsteins you went voluntarily MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER Isnt that correct MR HOROWITT Objection THE WITNESS Yeah I went there BY MR LUTTIER Okay You went voluntarily Nobody forced you to go to Mr Epsteins correct MR HOROWITT Object to the form compound THE WITNESS Yeah BY MR LUIBER Page All right And that would be true from the time Haley Robson took you on the first time until you last went sometime in October of MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUIBER Correct A Uh-huh And on the very first visit that you went to Mr Epsteins when Haley Robson took you there what occurred A From the first occasion Yes A Nothing I went there I went went there met with Sarah She brought me upstairs Table was set up He was in the office or upstairs in the bathroom And showed me where the lotion was gave me lotion and told me that he was going to be in be coming in through the bathroom And then whenever he got in there the first time I went he was on he has a phone right Page next to like a massage booth and he was on the phone like like the whole time that I was in there giving him a massage I think he said hi to me I think I talked to him a whole matter of maybe five minutes And then he left the money on the bathroom and I left And were you fully clothed during A Yes that entire time A Yes And did you get paid money A Yeah What did you get paid A And did Haley Robson get paid money A Yes For my What did she get paid A And were you aware of that at the time A Yeah And did she tell you that A Uh-huh And when did she tell you that before you went or after you went A I dont remember Page Was there a significant gap in time before you went back to Mr Epstein A Yeah Approximately how long a year A No less than a year Probably about like five to six months Have you ever told anyone that it was close to a year before you went back to Mr Epstein A Maybe I dont I dont know Was it when you went back to Mr Epsteins for the second time how did you get there A I think Jane Doe No 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were going there A Im sure but I dont remember the conversation Well what was the substance of the conversation A I dont I mean if shes bringing me Page there Im sure there is conversation I dont know what we talked about Well did you tell her why you were going A I am sure she already knew How would she know A Because shes the one that gave Haley the money What do you mean she gave Haley the money A Im guess I mean I dont know I am guessing Well are you guessing about all of this or do you have a specific recollection A No Im not guessing about all this I just dont know Well what is the difference between saying you dont know and saying youre guessing MR HOROWm Objection argumentative BY MR LUffiER Is there a difference between those two A Yeah there is I dont know Well had Jane Doe No been there before A I dont know How did she know how to get there Page MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Because I had been there BY MR LUffiER Did you give her A I dont directions on how to get there A I dont remember if I gave her directions I dont remember You dont remember anything about it but you remember Jane Doe No got A I dont know if shed been there I dont know at that time if shed been there I dont remember if I gave her directions I dont know if I drove her there I dont remember Are you telling us that you dont recall anything about your conversation with her on the way there MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUffiER Is that your testimony under oath A Yeah I dont dont know what we talked about on the way there Did you discuss the fact that A I dont know you were going there to give a massage Page and get A No I dont know I am sure she knew How would she know MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Im sure I dont think I dont know Maybe we talked about it but I dont know if we talked about it on the way there I dont know Im sure she she was my one of my friends I am sure she we talked about it but I dont know if it was on the way there I dont remember the conversation we had on the way there BY MR LUffiER Is she still your friend A Yes Is Haley Robson still your friend A No Is what was the other girls name Lauren Murphy is she still your friend A Were civil but we dont hang out Did something happen in your relationship or A I mean we just dont hang out anymore Why dont you hang out anymore A I got a boyfriend Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page Who is that Okay Did you ever see him deal drugs A Ricky A No Ricky who Did you ever tell any of your friends that A Bullard Mr Bullard dealt drugs A No A Uh-huh I dont go out at much as I used Are you sure about that to A Yes And how long has Ricky Bullard been your Okay Now who was your boyfriend before boyfriend Mr Bullard A A year and like two months A Alan So thats what from sometime in the Alan who beginning of A Hatfield A Uh-huh And how long was he your boyfriend Is that a yes A Like two years maybe a little two A Yes Sorry sorry And who was your boyfriend before that Did you ever do any drugs with A Preston Mr Bullard Preston Vinyard A Drinking Is that considered a drug A Uh-huh Did you ever do any drugs with Okay Now back at Mr Epsteins the Mr Bullard I dont consider alcohol to be a drug second time you went what occurred A No Trying to think Cigarettes A Oh when was the second time No I am talking about drugs What occurred the second time you went to A No Mr Epsteins You know A Same thing A No Same thing as the first time Page Page You know what I am talking about by drugs A Yeah dont you You remained fully clothed A Yes drugs yeah A Uh-huh Yes Sorry sorry You have never done any with Mr Bullard Got paid A No A Uh-huh Yes Did you ever get any from Mr Bullard Did this Jane Doe No wait for you to do A No whatever you were doing to give him the massage Did you ever see Mr Bullard do any drugs A Yeah A No She got paid for bringing you Are you sure A Yeah A Uh-huh And you knew she was getting paid to bring Do you know whether or not Mr Bullard has you ever done any drugs A Yeah A Im sure Did you ever wonder why people were Okay Why are you sure getting paid money just for driving you over there A Who hasnt A A lot of girls in high school were going So you said youre sure why are you there Haley was bringing a bunch of people there sure Did you ever wonder why they were getting A I am I dont in high school I mean I paid money to bring you there dont know I dont know A To give give him a massage I didnt ask when Yeah but why would Jane Doe No be A Im sure I dont know being paid money just to bring you there So its you dont know if he did drugs A She wasnt She took me there not that you know he did do drugs MR HOROWITT Object to the form A No I dont know then Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page BY MR LUTTIER Thats what Im saying Why was she getting paid money just to take you there MR HOROWm Object to the form BY MR LUffiER Did you ever wonder about that A No Did you ever ask them A Witness shakes head Did you ever ask Haley why are you getting paid for just driving me over here A I mean because she referred girls She brought several girls there so I guess it was because she brought somebody over there I dont know Just a referral fee A Yeah But you knew people were getting paid money to bring you to Mr Epsteins correct A Haley yeah Okay Well and then did anybody else get paid money for bringing you there A No Between the first time you went and then the five or six-month gap until the second time Page did you contact Mr Epstein or did someone from Mr Epsteins contact you to come the second time A It was an appointment I didnt contact him I was brought there again What do you mean MR HOROWITT Mr Luttier you cant interrupt her BY MR LUlTIER Oh I thought you were done Go ahead finish A No I was brought there again I had because Haley gets for every girl that she brought a different person she would get And she wouldnt get another for the same girl that she brought there She would only get for every different girl The first time I went it had been a while since I went the second time so she got another on top of me because they didnt even recognize me for the second time that I went there So A So they didnt contact me How did you know A She made the appointment Who who is she Haley Page A Yeah So Haley called you up then and said go to Jeffrey Epsteins on some date A No Yeah Thats how that happened A Yeah And you said okay A Yeah because I had gone there once and it wasnt it was awkward but it wasnt I didnt take any clothes off It wasnt I gave him a massage minutes and then I was out of there What was awkward about it the first time A Being upstairs in the bathroom not knowing who the person is Well when you say upstairs this wasnt a bathroom A Yeah it was It was like there was a shower in it There was a room that went into a toilet How big was the room A It was big It was like probably like the size of this room Any other you said there was a phone in there Page A Yeah Was there a desk in there A No Any other kind of seating facilities A Like a couch A couch A Uh-huh So this bathroom had a couch in it A Like a yeah Okay All right So on the second occasion that you went there you went there voluntarily correct A Yeah All right And did anybody did Haley tell you anything about what to expect when you went the second time A No When was the third time you went A I dont remember Probably shortly right after You say probably How long was it A Probably You say it was five to six months between the first and second visit A No Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page And now were talking about A No not five or six months It was I dont remember exactly but after the second time I went the third and after after the second time I went it would be like twice a month I would once a month twice a month And then it progressively got worse I mean not worse but progressively I went there more often Well you say it was once or twice a month after the third time A After the second time I went Yeah Do do you have any records from which you can determine You say once a month then you say twice a month then you say A No I said I went the first time I went then I didnt go for like five or six months And after the second time I went I was going there like twice a month and then it was like every single time he was in every single time he was in town I would go How do you know you went every time he was in town A Because I well Im sure it was every single time I sic was in town My question is how do you know you went Page every time he was in town How do you know when he was this town A Because there were other girls that were going there too How do you know if he was there Do you know what his schedule was A No So you dont know if he was in town or not right A Well towards the end whenever I was going there all the time he said that I was his favorite girl and like he would want like he always every time when he came in town like thats what I am guessing like you know I know that I was there like every single time that he was in town Now you mentioned toward the end that he made that statement to you Are you talking about now October of A And he would Wait a minute Youre talking about now the period between June and October of OS A Wait What Say that one more time You said at the end he told you you were his favorite girl Page A No I When you say the end are you talking about A No my junior no my junior year Sorry MR HOROWITT Both of you are talking over each other MR LUlTIER But she is now MR HOROWITT No Fine Jane Doe No THE WITNESS Sorry MR HOROWITT wait until hes done asking his question And if he interrupts you Im going to say the same thing to him Okay THE WITNESS Okay Sorry BY MR LUlTIER Are you talking about the period now between June and October of that he made this statement to you that you were his favorite A From to No from June of to October of A Is that whenever he said that MR HOROWITT Is that a question THE WITNESS Is that Page BY MR LUIBER You said in the end he told you that you were his favorite And my question is A No when you say the end are you talking about the period from June of to October of A No What period are you talking about A From well let me think From so on What do you mean so on A The last time I went Okay The fact of the matter is you have no record from which you can tell us with any kind of accuracy how many times you went to Mr Epsteins is that correct MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS How many times I went BY MR LUIBER Right A Approximately I can like approximately tell you how many times I went You dont have any record that you can look at and say I can tell you I went A No I dont have a written record no Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page this number of times All youre doing is youre guessing now about how often you think you went MR HOROWITT Object BY MR LUTTIER isnt that right MR HOROWITT Object to the form BY MR LUTTIER Correct A No I am not guessing Well you dont even know when Mr Epstein was in town do you MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS When he was in town he would call me BY MR LUTTIER Tell me in the year when he was in town A Tell how like what do you mean Was he there in January of A I am sure How do you know that A Because I went there Im sure I dont You dont know if you went there in January of do you A No verbal response You dont know do you A I know I went You dont know if you went there Page A approximate dates no I dont know MR HOROWITT Hold on Now youre interrupting her BY MR HOROWm Okay You dont know if you went to see him A I dont know approximate dates Im sorry Was he there in Jan in February of A I dont know Was he there in March of A No I dont know Was he there in April of A I dont know Was he there in May of A I dont know Was he there in June of A I dont know Was he there in July of A I dont know Page Was he there in August of A I dont know Was he there in September of A I dont know Was he there in October of A I dont know Was he there in November of A I dont know Was he there in December of A I dont know Was he there in January of A I dont know Was he there in February of A I dont know Was he there in March of A I dont know Was he there in April of A I dont know Was he there in May of A I dont know The fact of the matter is you dont know when Mr Epstein was in town do you MR HOROWm Object to the form THE WITNESS I dont have exact dates no Page BY MR LUTTIER Did you ever personally call Mr Epstein on the phone A I know I think I have his personal number I had Sarahs personal number I think Wasnt my question MR HOROWITZ You keep doing it You keep interrupting BY MR LUTTIER Did you ever personally call Mr Epstein on the phone When I say call talk to him personally on the phone A Talk to him on the phone Yes When A When I found out that the cops were investigating girls And when was that A Probably like probably sometime June or August September October Of A Yeah No Yeah Wait And how did you find out A its I think Wait yeah And how did you find out the cops were investigating Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page A Because word got there was a lot of BY MR LUffiER girls that went there and word got around that one This group of friends that you had all of the girls that had gone there was maybe years you know is what they told you right old A Yeah Well how did you find out about it All right And Jane Doe No whats A How did I find out about it Jane Doe No 7s last name Somebody call you A Doe A Probably found out from one of the girls Doe She was a regular there right that were going there in high school A Witness nods head Who called you Right A Nobody I mean there was a lot of young A She went there yeah girls that were going there And a matter of fact your friend Lauren Who called you and told you Murphy was somebody that went wasnt she A One of the girls that was hanging out that A Witness nods head went there I dont know Wasnt she Which girl A Yes A Jane Doe No Jane Doe No And you were the one that took her there Jane Doe No who werent you A Jane Doe No It was Haley brought A Yeah some girl from high school that was years old And on the third time that you went what How do you know that occurred A Because it was her cousins girlfriend A When I went there same thing like we Who told you that Haley brought somebody would go there and Sarah would walk you up to the that was years old room There would be a massage table Sometimes A It was in high school Royal Palm Beach there wouldnt be a massage table and you would Page Page is a small high school have to you would help her set it up or you would My question is who told you that Jane Doe set it up yourself Just kind of like from the No brought somebody I mean that Haley brought third time on it just kind of like something like somebody that was years old like like A Jane Doe No or Jane Doe No or one of MR HOROWITT Take your time Take your the girls that were going there at the time that time knew the girl that knew that girl THE WITNESS Like the third time I So you dont know of your own personal went there it was like I was giving him a knowledge whether someone who was years old went massage He was on the phone On the third there or not do you time like more conversation From the third A I I heard about her I know how she is time on it got worse I would go in and like how she looks like BY MR LUffiER You dont know of your own personal Well first Im asking you about the knowledge You werent there You didnt see this third time What occurred on the third time person A Same thing you give him a massage He A No I wasnt there was more friendly more talkative I kept my All you know is what somebody told you clothes on but this time he was more like oh this among your little friends your group of friends is what I do It was more conversation like MR HOROWITT Excuse me Counsel Take First time I went like he was on the phone The it easy second time on the phone doing business calls but MR LUTTIER Okay then talking at the same time The third time like MR HOROWITT There is no reason no no just talking to me like it was like a friend reason to point at the witness Isnt it a fact maam that or did MR LUTTIER Okay anything else happen on the third occasion A Witness shakes head Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page So you gave him a massage was a nice guy that you didnt have to do anything A No you didnt want to do that he might ask you to take fully clothed right your top off or take part of your clothes off but A Yeah if you didnt want to you didnt have to do And you got paid and you left anything isnt that what you were told A Uh-huh MR HOROWITT Object to the form And by now were up to what point in THE WITNESS I dont remember I dont time remember what Haley the conversation between A It was me and her This is BY MR LUTTIER A The second time I went it was probably Okay But you knew that when you went like a week later maybe a month later like a month that you you may be asked to take your top off but later that I went you didnt have to if you didnt want to right Well lets go through this You said the MR HOROWm Form first time it was in the middle of your sophomore THE WITNESS No but year It was five or six months later before you BY MR LUffiER went a second time So by now are you into your Correct you knew that right senior year MR HOROWm Form A No THE WITNESS No When is the second time then BY MR LUTTIER MR HOROWITT You skipped a year of high You didnt know that school A No why would I take my top off MR LUffiER I did Did you tell the police when they BY MR LUffiER interviewed you from the Palm Beach Police Are you into your junior year by then Department when you were a freshman in college that Page Page A Second time I went I was like middle of you knew before you went there exactly what was my sophomore year Second time first time I went going to be expected Did you tell that to the it was the middle of my sophomore year police Okay You say the first time you went was A I dont know I dont know I dont know in the middle of your sophomore year what I had I dont remember I dont know what I A Like the middle of my sophomore year wrote I dont know what I said to them Okay All right Well if you if the transcript of that A And then the second time I went was like interview shows that thats what you said to them in the summer of my sophomore year when I would you didnt just make it up did you go A No Was it after your birthday in the summer MR HOROWITT Object to the form A Yeah like right around that area BY MR LUffiER So youre at that point right Okay Now when was the last you say A Uh-huh yeah three years ago you saw this transcript right All right So the third time is when Thats the transcript of your interview with the sometime during your junior year police department A Yeah beginning of my like the end of A Probably about three when was it four summer end of summer like beginning of my junior years ago my freshman year year And what did you do with it What did you Now okay isnt it true do with the transcript A Like the end of the summer yeah A Of a copy of it Isnt it true maam that Haley Robson Yeah told you before she took you there the first time A My statement that you were going to go give a massage to a guy in Your interview with the police department Palm Beach you were going to get paid that he you said you saw a transcript It means its in Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page writing I didnt answer their questions which made me even A I dont know what I did with it more scared so I didnt so I answered their But you were given a copy right questions A I dont even know if I was given a copy Well it was the FBI right I dont remember ifl was given a copy A Yeah You just got done testifying earlier in They identified themselves as the Federal this deposition that about three years ago you read Bureau of Investigation right a transcript of it A Witness nods head A Yeah it was probably about three years Correct ago A Yeah Well where did you read this transcript You know to say if it wasnt given to you A Yeah A Whenever I got hired my lawyer or You know who the FBI is dont you not when I talked to my lawyers Whenever A Yeah everything came out like looking over it So they came and identified themselves and So you that was the first time you saw said they wanted to ask you questions it A Uh-huh Yes A Yeah All right And you sat down and did you All right Was it given to you answer their questions A Yeah I think so A Yeah Have you got it in your papers someplace And did you tell them the truth at home or something A Yeah A I dont know where its at Do you have a transcript of that Okay But when you read it did you call interview the Palm Beach Police Department up and tell them A No Page Page there were any any inaccuracies in it Did you tell them something different than A No I didnt call what you told the Palm Beach Police Department You didnt call and tell them A Yeah yeah A Unh-unh Why did you and what youre telling us Okay Now when you were interviewed by is you didnt tell the truth to the Palm Beach the FBI you said you were interviewed by them too Police Department but you did to the FBI is that right Do you know when that happened right A I dont remember when that happened It A Yeah was sometime afterward How many people interviewed you from the After what after the Palm Beach Police FBI on that occasion A Maybe my sophomore year in college I A I dont remember There were two people dont possibly I dont remember that came and asked me questions Where did that interview happen And did you and was the statement A When they came Let me think when they recorded came to my school they they asked me questions and A I dont remember I didnt want to I dont know They they came Do you remember having somebody with a to my school and then they once yeah at my tape recorder going school A I dont remember I think it was off Okay So this is just like the Palm Beach record but I cant remember Police they came to Lynn University and interviewed How long did it take you right A I know they asked me questions there A They asked me they wanted to ask me several times Like afterwards where I would call questions and I said I wasnt going to answer any them up and tell them more questions because I was scared And they said they You called them or they called you were going to have to give me a subpoena to court if A I called them like after interviewing Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page And why did you call them A Because she said if there is anything else that you want to get off your chest let me know All right So now we know there was a she involved A Witness nods head Who was the she A I dont remember her name Was that somebody from the U.S Attorneys office A No FBI FBI So we had one female FBI agent and A A male FBI agent one male And you dont remember either of their names A I dont remember the male I remember the female What was her name A Nestek Nestek N-e-s-t-e-k A I dont know how to spell that name and Im pronouncing it to my best ability And to your recollection that would have been your second year at Lynn University Page A Yes Were you interviewed by the FBI on any occasion other than when they came to Lynn University in your sophomore year MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS At Lynn no I mean like what do you mean Sorry BY MR LUIBER Did any FBI come to see you any other time A On Im trying to think I met with the FBI afterwards I dont think she came to see me What what do you mean you met with the FBI afterwards A I came here to court What court A A court in downtown West Palm With a judge in a court proceeding A No Okay Well what do you mean by you came to court A Just with her to meet with her and You mean you came to a courthouse A Not a courthouse like its the courthouse I dont know what room Somewhere it was one of those rooms in there In the courthouse A Yeah Are you talking about the Federal courthouse A Yeah I think it was the Federal Page courthouse or it might somewhere downtown And who did you meet with A Detective Nestek Anybody else A Another lady Who was the other lady A I dont remember her name What was what was her role A They were to help me through my situation Did she say who she was or who she was with A I dont know I dont remember I forgot She was some somebody there just to talk about like what was going on because I had more to say about what had gone on but I had more to say about what had happened Was it somebody from the United States Attorneys office A I dont know I dont who the lady I Page dont know what this ladys role played I dont know How about Maria Villafana does that name ring a bell A I had she gave me I dont remember her name She gave me a card business card a long time ago I dont have it I dont know Was anybody else present for this interview or this meeting that occurred A I think it might have no it was just us two I think there might have been another lady three ladies in the room Three total or four total three other women and you A No three All right three A I think there was two but I think that one came out of the room and then she left and another lady came in So there was like two there was like three two to three Did you have a lawyer there A No Had you retained a lawyer by then A No All right So thats your second meeting Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page with the FBI Did you have another meeting with the FBI A No not that I remember no Did you talk to anybody from the United States Attorneys office MR HOROWITT Form THE WITNESS What do you mean the United States Attorneys BY MR LUTTIER A lawyer representing the government A Like for the FBI Like a lawyer for the FBI It could be anybody The U.S Attorneys office is just an office of government lawyers that represent the government It could represent an agency or anything else This Maria Villafana is I believe the person that was heading it up but there might have been somebody else from that agency A I think I might have called somebody to talk to them because I didnt I was confused I didnt know anything that was going on But I dont think I dont like I dont know who what her name was I dont know Did anyone from any of those agencies the Page FBI or anybody else that you talked to explain to you anything about what was going on A No You didnt have any idea why they were talking to you or what was going on A No They they said that I can tell them what happened Did you say you called Jeff Epstein to let him know that the that somebody was A Yeah asking questions And did you call him before or after the Palm Beach Police came A Before the Palm Beach Police came and talked to me And and what did you tell him A I told him I said girls are being police are going to the girls that have been going to the house just to let him aware of what was going on I dont remember the exact conversation I just remember letting him know like did you know that there was cops interviewing girls that have been going to the house And and that conversation happens sometime after the Palm Beach Police meet you A No that was before Page Or right before that A It was before But while you were at Lynn A It was while I was at Lynn It was before the cops came because I didnt know I heard about them going to all these girls and I was at school I didnt know what was going on Other than that conversation with Mr Epstein have you ever had any other phone conversation directly with Mr Epstein A After that At any time 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address Okay I mean didnt he did he give A Jane Doe No pop.student.lynn.edu you some gifts And on your Facebook is it still up A Yeah today What kind of gifts did he give you A Uh-huh A Well he rented me a car Have you deleted anything from your Okay Facebook about discussions concerning Mr Epstein A Rented me a car and bought me lingerie A I dont even know if I ever I dont from Victoria Secret bought me a vibrator What think Ive ever put any discussions up thats else Like gave me like a brush It was a regarding Mr Epstein vibrating brush I mean it was pretty much it Have you ever communicated with Offered me to go like out of the offered me to Mr Epstein via the computer travel A No Did you ever travel with Mr Epstein That would be e-mail or A I was not old enough to travel A Yeah no Did you ever see Mr Epstein when I say however else they do it these days Page Page see I mean have one of these massages that you Texting do you ever text Mr Epstein gave Mr Epstein any place other than his house A Witness shakes head in Palm Beach MR HOROWITZ You have to answer A No THE WITNESS No All right other than the phone MR HOROWITT instead of shaking your conversation you had with Mr Epstein after or head no when the police were about to interview you and a THE WITNESS I said no conversation you may have had about renting a car BY MR LUffiER have you ever had any other direct phone Have you in the last since have you conversation with Mr Epstein gone to the City of Chicago Illinois A Can you ask that question one more time A Yeah Other than the phone conversation you had When did you go to Chicago with Mr Epstein wherein you told him that the A My junior junior year police were asking questions and the possibility Junior year of what that you may have spoken with either him or Sarah A My summer junior going into my senior about renting a car have you had any other phone year that summer conversation with Mr Epstein directly Of what of Lynn University A No no A Yeah Have you and you say youve never So junior performed a massage on Mr Epstein or any other act A Of what is it sorry I cant physically with him other than at his house in Palm give you an accurate date Summer Beach so yeah A Yeah just at the house in Palm Beach If was your freshman year Okay And by the way are you a person A Yeah so it was my junior year thats are you proficient with computers And would have been your sophomore Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page year A would have been your junior year and would be your senior year A Oh then but January after January of that summer No I am not A is I dont want to put the date in your mind I just went through A No that chronology A Of that summer Summer of A Yeah When you say Summer of what month are you talking about A Probably the end of June End of June end middle So this is approximately three years after the last time you saw Mr Epstein A Uh-huh Okay Tell us and is that the only time youve been to Chicago Illinois A Uh-huh Page Okay THE COURT REPORTER Yes THE WITNESS Yes Sorry sorry I keep forgetting BY MR LUffiER Tell us who you went to Chicago with A Jane Doe No Sylvia Chelsea Vanessa another girl named Vanessa And what are whats Sylvia Chelsea and Vanessas last names A I am not sure what their last names are Did you know them A Yeah How did you know them A From living in Orlando Well you were living in Orlando A Yeah Okay And you lived there during what period of time A The summer of And where did you live in Orlando A Jefferson Lofts And why were you living there A To work and go to school Well were you going to school in Orlando at that time A Yeah I withdrew from that class What class were you going to there A Biology And where were you going to school A The community college What school Page A What is it called I am drawing a blank of what the university was called It wont come to me right now I cant recall it This is while you were still enrolled at Lynn University A No I had the summer off Yeah I was enrolled at Lynn University but I had the summer off And who were you living with when you were in Orlando A I had two roommates And who were they A I forgot I didnt socialize with them Its a its like a like a Jefferson Lofts is like a living you dont know who your roommates are I was supposed to I was supposed to take over MR HOROWm Just answer his question Page THE WITNESS I dont know I dont know Sorry BY MR LUffiER All right So who were you living with was the question MR HOROWm Unless you want to hear the whole story THE WITNESS Two girls two other girls and I dont remember I think one girls name was Kate and I dont remember the other roommate BY MR LUffiER When you originally went there you were going to live with who A Jane Doe No And Jane Doe No ls roommate was who A I dont know at the time A I dont know And you were going to take Jane Doe No ls roommates place A Yeah All right Now did you know Sylvia Chelsea and Vanessa before you went to Orlando A No I just met them through Jane Doe No Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Page talked to him for five minutes that night maybe And who is it that paid for this trip to Did you tell any of your friends that Chicago A So there is no reason for me to want to A Jane Doe No 7s friend Mario talk about him if I wasnt at if I only had like And who is Mario a five ten minute conversation with him A Some friends Jane Doe No friends Did you tell any of your friends or anyone Jane Doe No 7s friend whether you consider them a friend or not that you How old was this person had met someone that was like Mr Epstein named A Im not sure I dont know how old he Charley and that he had taken you to Chicago was A No no Roughly No one in the world A Probably like maybe A Charley didnt take me to Chicago And anybody else go on this trip Okay So that never happened That A Yeah conversation Who else A No A Jane Doe No Sylvia Chelsea and never took place All right And how Vanessa is it that you got invited to go on this trip I mean other than those people And did A Jane Doe No invited me Mario go on this trip too And Jane Doe No was another person that A Hes he is the one lives he lives in would go to Mr Epsteins right Chicago A Yes Okay And did you stay at Marios when Did you take Jane Doe No to Epsteins you went to Chicago A No I dont think so A We stayed yeah not his place Well Did you get paid from Mr Epstein for John one of his places I guess taking Lauren Murphy there Page Page Where did you stay in Chicago A Yeah A John Hancock building And what did you tell what if And in a in a room there anything did you tell Lauren well strike that A Yeah Was Laurens first visit to Mr Epstein Anybody named Charley along the one that you took her to A I think that was one of his friends that A Yeah went out with us one night one of his older Okay What did you tell Lauren about friends A I dont remember And how old is Charley Wait a minute let me finish my question A He is older He is Im not sure how What did you tell Lauren about what to expect from old he is but maybe sos the first visit to Mr Epstein And did you have any interaction with A I dont remember Charley And when did you take Lauren to A No Mr Epstein Did you get any gifts from Charley A I dont remember A No Do you remember a year Did you discuss this trip with anybody A Maybe my senior year I dont remember else So how many times had you been to A Yeah Mr Epsteins at the point in time that you took Who Lauren there A I dont know I put people that asked A It might have been my junior year or my I guess by my pictures senior year that I took her I dont remember when Did you ever describe this person Charley I took her as another Jeff Epstein to any of your friends Well at the time that you took her A No I didnt even talk to Charley I only whenever it was how many times had you been to Pages to PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY INC Case Document Entered on FLSD Docket Page of Page Mr Epsteins A Probably a few times How many A Before I took I dont remember when I took Lauren so I cant tell you how many times I had been there before I took her Whats your best estimate A I dont know when I took her so I dont know how to answer that question Well do you know if it was more than three times A I am sure Was how old was Lauren when you took her there A I dont know how old Lauren was when I took her there I think she was So Lauren was out of high school by then A She might have been a senior in high school or she could have been out of high school And she was one year ahead of you A Yeah So that would have meant that you were taking her A She could have been her senior year in high school or she I could have been a senior year Page in high school So it could have been in your junior or senior year of high school A Yeah And you said you first went in the middle of your sophomore year right A Uh-huh So under your recollection of events would it be a fair characterization that at the point in time that you took Lauren to Mr Epsteins you had been to Mr Epsteins on several occasions A Yeah At the point as of the point in time that you took Lauren there had you had all the massages that you performed for Mr Epstein been conducted in the same manner as what you have described in the first three visits MR HOROWill Object to the form THE WITNESS I dont know when I brought her there so I dont know youre asking me the same question BY MR LUffiER At the point in time that you brought her had all the massages that you had performed for Mr Epstein been like the first three Page A I dont remember when I saw her there so I dont know like if they were the same Okay Well A What are you like I Did there come a point in time after the third massage that the way you performed massages on Mr Epstein changed A It progressively got worse yes but I dont recall When you say worse what do you mean by worse A He would get more like aggressive like he would be more friendly Like after like going there a couple of times then he would ask me oh will you take your top off and then the next time when I would get up and go to leave he goes take your bra off or you know next time you go can you take your pants off or it progressively got worse and then next time it was like he like used a vibrator on me and then the next time he used a vibrator and fingering me and then the next time he would do that and then licking my clit and then before that grabbing my nipples and at last I mean it progressively got worse When you say the next time you mean there Page was one visit and then literally the next visit he said take your top off and it was literally the next visit that he said something else and literally the next visit he said something else A Yeah or were there more than one visit A It progressively got worse Was there more than one time you performed massages between these events MR HOROWITT Object to the form THE WITNESS Ask that 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