Exhibit-251.4U Case Document Filed Page of Rue Notre Dame Miami Beach FL Kress Court Reporting Inc Pages to Page DOE NO Case No Plaintiff EPSTEIN Defendant JANE DOE NO Case No Plaintiff Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN Defendant Case No Plaintiff EPSTEIN Defendant JANE DOE Case No Plaintiff Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN Defendant Page DOE NO II Case No Plaintiff EPSTEIN Defendant JANE DOE NO Case No Plaintiff Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN Defendant DOE NO Case No Plaintiff EPSTEIN Defendant Ives Dairy Road Suite North Miami Florida July a.m to p.m Page I A I I of ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ taken on behalf of the Plaintiffs pursuant a Re-Notice of Taking Deposition Duces Tecum 10-1103APPEARANCES MERMELSTEIN HOROWITZ P.A BY STUART MERMELSTEIN ESQ Biscayne Boulevard Suite Miami Florida Attorney for Jane Doe and ROTHSTEIN ROSENFELDT ADLER BY BRAD EDWARDS ESQ and CARA HOLMES ESQ Las Olas City Centre Suite East Las Olas Boulevard Fort Lauderdale Florida Attorney for Jane Doe and E.W And L.M PODHURST ORSECK BY KATHERINE EZELL West Flagler Street Suite Miami Florida Attorney for Jane Doe and Page APPEARANCES LEOPOLD-KUVIN ADAM LANGINO ESQ PGA Boulevard Suite Palm Beach Gardens Florida Attorney for B.B RICHARD WILLITS ESQ 10th Avenue North Suite Lake Worth Florida Attorney for C.M.A BURMAN CRITTON LUTTIER COLEMAN LLP BY ROBERT CRITTON ESQ North Flagler Drive Suite West Palm Beach Florida Attorney for Jeffrey Epstein ALSO PRESENT JOE LANGSAM VIDEOGRAPHER Case Document Filed Page of Rue Notre Dame Miami Beach FL Kress Court Reporting Inc Pages to Page Were you the only one who was allowed to the phone A Yes Im sorry what would you do A I would leave it on the counter next to kitchen so when I find that piece all crumbled knew that Mr Epstein saw the message so we 9-1235.1c.4ommunicated like that Now you mentioned Mr Epstein would give instructions during the course of the day A Through his assistant And his assistant was whom A Sarah Kellen But you didnt view her as your 16-1135.1supervisor A She take orders from Mrs Maxwell but she tell me Alfredo we need to buy this we to do this and so and so was coming I 20-1135couldnt talk directly to Mr Epstein Okay So any communications from Mr 22-1135Epstein always came through Ms Kellen A Or from the office in New York Lesley secretary or somebody else the comptroller architect any lawyer Page Lawyer what kind of instructions would get from lawyers A We used to have a lot of time for the dock construction you need to have lot of permits in Palm Beach so they were there that reason Okay Now so you would interact with staff from New York and that would include I you said Lesley A Lesley Bella What was Lesleys position A Lesley is the secretary secretary to Mr 13-1135Epstein Okay Is that Lesley Groff A I believe it was I dont remember the name Bella who was Bella A Bella was the assistant comptroller Anyone else that you dealt with in New A Doug Shadow was the architect and he used come to the house in a regular basis because we to have a lot of projects going on Okay Would you get advance notice when Epstein was going to arrive in Palm Beach Page A Yes Sometimes very short notice but So that varied A Yes Who would give you that notice A Mrs Maxwell or Sarah or Larry the And then you would drive to pick them up the airport A Yes And who traveled with him A The three pilots and some guests What do you mean by guests A He will have some friends from Harvard will have well very important people that know friends acquaintances from New York or because I was just told the number of was coming on the plane Were there people who were employed by who came regularly A Yes And who would they be A Like I said they were the pilots Larry George and I dont remember the flight 25-1135engineer and he will have two girlfriends Page The pilot would have two girlfriends A Mr Epstein This is all people coming the plane together Right What do you mean by girlfriends A Friends you know that he was always friends that he will befriend in New York dont know 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HORO WITT ESQ Biscayne Boulevard Defendant Suite I Miam i Florida Attorney for Jane Doe JANE DOE NO CASE NO OS and ROTHSTclN ROSENFELDT ADLER Plaintiff BY BRAD EDWARDS ESQ and CARA HOLMES ESQ Vs Las Olas Oty Centre Suite East Las Olas Boulevard JEFFREY EPSTEIN Fort Lauderdale Florida Attorney for Jane Doe and E.W Defendant And JANE DOE NO CASE NO OS PODHURST ORSECK BY KATHERlNE EZB.l ESQ Plaintiff West Flagler Street Vs Suite JEFFREY EPSTEIN Miam i Florida Defendant Attorney for ane Doe and I LEOPOI.D-KlNJN BY ADAM LANGINO ESQ PGA Boulevard Suite Palm Beach ardens Aorida Attorney for Pages to Kress Court Reporting Inc Rue otre Dame Miami Beach Case Document Filed Page of Page York house A He will have massages MR CRITTON Form BY MR EDWARDS And are we still talking about a habit of two a day MR CRITTON Form THE WITNESS I dont know that BY MR EDWARDS Okay So for the time period when you have been familiar with Mr Epstein and known his habits is it fair to say that he would have roughly two girls a day in that same age group wherever he was A Yes MR CRITTON Form BY MR EDWARDS Page And is your understanding that Mr Epstein was intimate with any of those girls MR CRITTON Form THE WITNESS Yes BY MR EDWARDS With all of them MR CRITTON Form THE WITNESS Yes BY MR EDWARDS With Sarah as well A Yes MR CRITTON Form BY MR EDWARDS With Nadia A Yes MR CRITTON Form BY MR EDWARDS All right And have you talked to And the girls who would come over on the anybody that has given you similar i nformat ion from his Island home A No Do you know any of the girls that have airplane MR CRITTON Form THE WITNESS Yes BY MR EDWARDS been over to his Island A Yes And who are they Did you ever have occasion to go into the bedroom and find the vibrators or back massagers out after Mr Epstein was i the room with any of Page Page A Nadia the girls who used to stay at the the girls that came over on the plane home in El Brillo used to go over there to the MR CRITTON Form Island THE WITNESS Yes When he would have these girls I guess BY MR EDWARDS weve kind of categorized them as the girls who So thats something that would be out would come over with him on an airplane and stay after the girls that came over on the plane or the at the house girls that came over for the massages A Yes A Yes When they would be staying at the house MR CRITTON Form would he also have the local Palm Beach girls BY MR EDWARDS coming over that you were told to call masseuses And at the time when you were house A Yes manager you had a year old daughter So these girls that came on the airplane A Yes with him were they also did they also have Did she live down here knowledge that these young girls were coming over A In New Jersey to give massages Okay When Alan Dershowitz was at the MR CRITTON Form house I under stood you to say that these local THE WITNESS Yes sir Palm Beach girls would come over to the house BY MR EDWARDS while he was there but youre not sure i he had a Okay Who are the girls from the massage from any of those girls airplane other than Nadia that you remembe A Exactly A Sarah There were so many sir I don And what would he do while those girls recall right now But Sarah is for sure Nadia were at the house was one of the ma in girlfriends but I don MR CRITTON Form remember that THE WITNESS He will read a book with a zz c:z:a:im:1 ra i cc11:a:c 1ePa es Kress Court Reporting Inc Rue Notre Dame Miami Beach Fl Case Document Filed Page of Page Page glass of wine by the pool stay inside usually its Yahoo dot com or at Bellsouth dot BY MR EDWARDS net Did he ever talk to any of the girls A It was very uncommon I don remember A I dont know sir sir Certainly he knew that they were there Did everybody in the I think you MR CRITTON Form called it the organization did everybody have THE WITNESS I dont know sir e-mails BY MR EDWARDS A Yes Do you know how Sarah Kellen knows Mr Okay Would that include Nadia Epstein A Yes A No sir All right And did Mr Epstein have an Or how long shes known him e-mail MR CRITTON Form A Yes THE WITNESS She was on board two years Did you ever correspond with Mr Epstein or a year and a ha before I came on board by e-mail BY MR EDWARDS A Yes Okay MR EDWARDS You can go ahead A So it probably or THE WITNESS Thats the only one that I All right You mentioned th is Citrix remember system THE VIDEOGRAPHER Okay were off the A Yes record Is that a system that was used to operate Thereupon a recess was had the phones and the computers THE VIDEOGRAPHER Were back on the A The computers mainly record with tape number four All right But you then also described BY MR EDWARDS Page428 Page some system where someone would call on the Mr Rodriguez what was Mr Epsteins telephone and that would be automatically e-mail downloaded to the computer A Jeep project at something Jeep A Yeah you can ret ieve who called in a project I cant remember it right now transcript written who called whats the message Okay In the course of th is next or the time so you have it on a piece of paper you minutes can print it out A I can recall Is it your understanding that is also if it comes to you just tell me So part of the Citrix system i was Jeep project A Yes A Like Jeep the brand name Jeep Jeep All right Did you have an e-mail project at I cant remember A Right now yes Okay Was that his only e-mail to your No when you were working at knowledge A Yes I did A No Mr Epstein He had other e-mail addresses And id Sarah Kellen have an e-mail A Yes A Yes Do you know what any of his other e-mail And did all of the e-mails end he same addresses were way such as Epsteins house dot com or something A No I dont remember A Yes Do you know who the carriers were for the Okay What was Sarah Kellens e-mail other e-mail addresses owned by Jeffrey Epstein A I dont remember A No sir What was your e-mail Whether it was Yahoo or hot mail or A Staff house I dont remember sir A No none of those Do you recall how it ended I mean Okay Was this Jeep project e-mail run Pages to Kress 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