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Suite I Suffolk MA Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein Edwards adv Epstein Case No Notice of Filing Supplement PRIVILEGED PURSUANT TO FS and/or WORK PRODUCT TELECON PARTICIPANTS JACK SCAROLA BRAD EDWARDS VIRGINIA ROBERTS RE Edwards adv Epstein DATE April JS Virginia Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards BE Hi Virginia Hi Jack Hi Brad How you guys doing JS Were doing fine thank you Im sorry for all of the trouble and before we go any further let me tell you if I have your permission I have started a tape recorder and I want to be able to tape this conversation from the very beginning Is that alright with you Sure thats fine Jack No problem JS Ok good thank you I appreciate that Let me start off by introducing myself I know that Brad has spoken to you about me but I am Brads lawyer and I assume that you can confirm that you and I have never had any communication before Is that right Thats correct JS Alright I have however gotten some information from Brad about conversations that you have had with him and that will enable me hopefully to make this a little bit more efficient and take up a minimum amount of your time while still getting the information that we think is going to be helpful to us and to any jury that might ultimately have to hear these facts So let me begin by asking you first to tell us what your full name is Louise Roberts Thats my maiden name My married name is Virginia Louise Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Could you spell your last name for us That is your married last name JS Alright thank you and where are you living right now I live in Australia JS And how long have you resided in Australia This is my th year JS That is where you are right now correct Weve reached you in Australia for this phone conversation That is correct yes JS And what time is it in Australia right now I think its about now JS Ok Thats 9am correct Thats correct JS Alright Virginia the reason for this conversation is because it is our understanding that you know a man by the name Jeffrey Epstein and I want to begin by asking you please to tell us about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr Epstein Ok I was introduced to Mr Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell I was working at Donald Trumps spa in Mar-a-Lago and I was prompted by Ghislaine to come to Jeffreys mansion in Palm Beach that afternoon after work to make some extra money and to learn about massage She met me at the spa and I was reading a book about anatomy so I was already interested in massage therapy as it was and not having any of the education or you know anything behind me I thought this was a great opportunity to work for her and go So I went to Jeffreys mansion about or in the afternoon My dad drove me there My dad worked at Mar-a-Lago with me and he met Ghislaine and she seemed like a nice proper English lady and she knows I mean you know one time then _once before I left to travel overseas she just seemed really nice and like she would like to help me out So my dad left and I had no problem getting home that night one of her drivers would take me back after my trial So she led me upstairs and into Jeffreys bedroom and past that is Jeffreys massage room which has got his steam room and a shower and a massage table and there is actually an extra room that has that nobody knows about it its kinda like a secret room and its got a whole bunch of decorative pictures of pornographic literature and sex toys and I can_?_ what happened in there Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS When you say that the room was hidden Virginia how was the room concealed It wasnt like a door that you would normally go into like some kind of special opening you open that and then a little door so it looks like its a little closet so-to-speak but when you walk in there its obviously a lot bigger than just a closet It wasnt too big but it was bigger you know It wasnt a gigantic room it was just like a small room which you know it probably could fit some shoes in there _it had racks of shoes boxes some sweatshirts neatly folded and the ceiling to the floor was covered in pornographic pictures of the girls that he had met JS When you say So anyways that was getting there and I was introduced to Jeffrey he was laying naked on top of the massage table and obviously for one Im a year old girl and seeing him on the table was weird but also learning about anatomy and massage I thought this would be part of it So obviously I thought it was part of the massage program so I said ok this is fine And he then instructed me on how to touch the body Jeffreys body how to massage him and for the first hour it was actually a real massage maybe not an hour maybe like minutes or something but of something like that and thats when he turned over on the other side and to expose himself fully So then Ghislaine told me that she wanted me to undress and began to take off my shirt and skirt my white uniform from Mar-A-Lago she also took off her shirt and got undressed and so I was there with just my undies on and she was completely bare and made some kind of little flake about the underwear that I was wearing because it wasnt my normal sexy girl underwear and just like I dont know had red hearts on it or something like that just your normal you know real cute underwear Anyways so during all of this Im kind of like whats going on how do I act what do I say I was so afraid of not afraid or fearful for my life but unsure of how all this started and wanting to obtain a profession_ I was so afraid thinking about upsetting and disappointing them I dont know its a weird situation by far and I was expected to _Lick his nipples instructed on how to do so by J.E_ and give him oral sex while he wanted to fondle me and then at the end I was told by Ghislaine to get on top and straddle Jeffrey sexually and when we were done we went and had a shower in the room and Jeffrey told me to wash him up and down you know with a bar of soap and make sure he was all cleaned up And then he took me downstairs and took me to two of the guards and told John to bring me home John was the butler at the time JS Let me interrupt you for just a moment there if I could Virginia You mentioned as you were recounting those details that you were years old at the time What is your date of birth August th JS And can you tell us please as best youre able to estimate it what the date was when this first encounter occurred Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Ive got it written down Its like Im not good with math hold on I thought I wrote it down but I didnt Im not too sure I think it was off the top of my head and around June of I would say as I was turning at the end of the summer JS Alright You talked about the room where Jeffrey had the pornographic photographs Did you actually see that room on the occasion of your first visit there No I got to see that room a few visits after but I was just trying to describe that room to you guys so you knew exactly what room I was talking about JS Another question for you and I dont mean to be prying into your personal life and if I ask you any questions at all that youre uncomfortable answering then you just tell me that and well move on because I appreciate your cooperation and the last I thing I want to do is impose upon that cooperation but can you tell us please just generally what kind of sexual experience you had had prior to this confrontation with Jeffrey Yeah sure A close family friend has sexually abused me and I was on the streets at years old I was picked up by a year old man named Ron_ Eppinger_ who did exactly what Jeffrey did with me abuse and violate my youthfulness I was with him for months So he was gone and then I had this boyfriend who was like my school friend from young days but we just kept in contact with each other and we were on and off constantly and that was Tony Figeroua_ and there was also another younger guy was near my age Michael I cant remember his last name but yeah there I mean there wasnt like a string of men or anything but there was Ron like I told you and he was the first guy expecting me to do so-called disgusting affairs Jeffrey actually knew Ron which was quite weird when I told Jeffrey the story about Ron and Jeffrey had actually met him and yeah Anyway just another story and yeah there were a couple of men but that gives you an idea JS Now when you described the photographs in the room as pornographic tell me just a little bit about the photographs if you would please First how many of them were there At least and like I said they covered the room from the ceiling not the ceiling but from the top of the edge of the wall to the bottom of the floor I want to say at least a hundred even more there could have been more in the boxes Some of them were A4 photographs like the large size some of naked women posing you know positions sexy positions Others were you know some girls had 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definitely a lot of different girls I mean it wasnt easy to sit there and say you werent finding girls out of some photos no Were there a hundred different ones There could have been pictures of some girls I really couldnt get close necessarily to actually recognize faces or anything like that But if you you know the range of them were all different majority of them were different yeah JS Did there ever come a point in time when you became aware that a photograph of you had been added to the collection Yes there was Ghislaine took several nude photographs of me for Jeffrey So yeah there were pictures of me and there were pictures he wasnt shy that wasnt the only place in his house that he kept the photos He liked photos all over his house If you looked in his den or on his desk or in on the hall table a giant hall table in his house there were at least a hundred photos of girls in frames Not all of them were naked a lot of the ones that were all around his house were not naked girls posing pornographically some were pictures of celebrities and politicians he had known_ or things like that or had pants on or whatever but yeah there was a lot of mixed photographs in the outside ones JS Were there any photographs of girls or young women that you knew or that you subsequently came to know that you saw in the house Yeah yeah there was There was pictures of Nadia Bjournik pictures Sarah Keller pictures Emmy pictures of me pictures of the regulars but a lot of the girls sometimes Jeffrey could have like girls a day and he would only see those girls once if he got bored I dont know These werent my days I heard hes gotten a lot sloppier since I left So I dont know anyways but when I knew him there was just a it seemed there was such an influx of girls coming in and out so did I recognize a lot of them Maybe maybe not but then they were all definitely beautiful they were all ranging in age some of them young some of them older in their I mean it was just they were all beautiful JS Youve told us about the first visit Was there any discussion on the occasion of that first visit about your returning Yes they were very pleased with me and after the encounter was finished the sexual encounter he went and told me I did well and I have a lot of potential to become a massage therapist and if Id like I could return tomorrow you know and do the same thing and get paid so Jeffrey insisted that I come after work and over the next few days I guess the relationship grew into more and within a couple of weeks not even Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 a couple of weeks maybe a week I had quit Mar-a-Lago and I was working for Jeffrey full time JS Ok lets talk about your job at Mar-a-Lago if we could You said that your Dad was working there What was his position at Mar-a-Lago He was a maintenance supervisor I think is what it was called He like managed the tennis courts and air conditioners and things like that JS What is your Dads full name Sky William Roberts JS And is he still living here in South Florida now No hes not hes in California JS Ok Is your Dad aware of what is currently going on with regard to your having made public statements about your relationship with Jeffrey Yes he is well aware of it I told my family even before all this stuff came out because they were the first ones contacted by the journalists from Mail on Sunday I know that they the Mail on Sunday printed that I had gone out and tried to I mean I think one of the photos said that I was angry that I saw Jeffrey and the Prince walking together and that is why I came out and went public with everything Not true I mean I am angry about how they are still up to their old ways together and that theyre still hanging out but I didnt contact the Mail on Sunday and I didnt bring it out I figured that everyone was going to bring it out anyway and I better bring it out the right way Hes known everything from the start and my family is very supportive with everything going on JS Im kind of going to jump around a little bit and I apologize for that but since the subject has come up tell me first of all why you are providing this cooperation to us and I am certainly very appreciative of it but I want you to tell us why it is youve chosen to spend time with us on the telephone and provide this information that youre now providing Im out to help the bigger picture you know I think all of us can make a big difference in a lot of other peoples lives and I think that this has gone on long enough and its a big slap in my face that he can get away with hurting me so bad let alone so many other girls and laugh about it I guess I talked to you guys out because I want to see the right thing happen not just to him but I want people in the world to understand this is not the way of life you know its not acceptable to go out procure young girls and make them think that this is the way you should be living and thats all Yeah I guess my reason for doing it is to help the bigger picture you know Im a big believer in karma and I believe that good things will come back to you so I guess thats why Im doing this Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Just for the record neither Brad nor I nor anyone representing that they have anything to do with us has made any promises to you Is that correct That is correct Ill tell you since this is our first conversation that nobody has made me feel like Ive been bribed or bought or had to say anything Ive told you anything that I know from my own self not some things somebody told me If anything Brads been extra careful not to tell me anything and let me do all the talking so its quite opposite I think JS Alright Lets get back then to the story of your relationship with Jeffrey and weve talked about your first encounter with him and how it evolved from that into your full time employment with Jeffrey but what were you doing at Mar-a-Lago before you quit Mar-a-Lago I was just a locker room attendant and sometimes I did babysitting for the rich and famous So I wasnt anything big I worked in the spa area Thats why I was studying anatomy because I was really really interested in becoming a _massage therapist_ and at the locker room I didnt do much I mean I was making tea for a living I would you know make sure the toilet paper had a little triangle in it after everybody went to the toilet or wipe down the water from the basin you know it was a very easy peasy job JS Did you get that job through your Dad Yes my Dad got me the job JS Ok and you were only years old at the time were they aware of how old you were at Mar-a-Lago Of course definitely We had to go through extensive you know we even had to get drug tested and id test and so on and so forth I mean Mantas is very strict on employment yeah everybody knew JS Ok Was there ever any conversation with Ghislaine about how old you were before you were taken to Jeffreys mansion No She didnt ask me how old I was from the start but when I did get to Jeffreys mansion it was discussed how old I was JS With whom During the entire hour of what I call the legitimate massage I was giving him it was cat and mouse games getting information from me to find out who I am am I a willing participant in these kind of things and how would I react if they were about to take the next step But they got information off of me they got my age they got my a little bit of my history so they knew I was you know not very stable at home and they knew that Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 you know I was actually interested in making my life better by studying so what they were offering me was a chance to become a legitimate masseuse but it was getting trained They would have people show me how to work the body and be called a massage therapist and get me books on it and you know keep me interested and every time you know I was with Jeffrey literally was about massages I dont mean just going in and have sex with him I mean massage because it would always start out with massage and then it would lead into sometimes other things JS Alright once this evolved into full time employment what did full time employment mean That was entirely having to travel with Jeffrey in every city When he was in Palm Beach I stayed at my apartment and he would call me to his house once or twice a day sometimes and thats you know do things with him Sometimes wed go out shopping sometimes wed go out and watch a movie You know simple things like that go to an expo or a fair whatever it was But when we were in other cities I was at my apartment_ I lived with him full time What I mean by full time is even in the middle of the night I could get a ring on my phone next to me and tell me to come in his room you know so it was literally full time JS When you say that when you were in Palm Beach you were living in your apartment were you living on your own or were you living with members of your family at that time No after I quit Mar-a-Lago Jeffrey offered to get me an apartment in Palm Beach somewhere Royal Palm Beach and it was a nice apartment He furnished it for me it was absolutely beautiful but yeah thats the only time I would spend time away from him really JS This apartment was on Royal Palm Beach Boulevard or out in the Village of Royal Palm Beach I so honestly dont remember Ive been trying to rack my brain because the FBI was asking the same thing and were trying to find it but yeah Im Not sur_ I didnt get to spend as much time in it I was only there about an entire week out of every month probably but the majority of the time I was with Jeffrey anyways It was somewhere in Royal Palm Beach I dont know about Royal Palm Beach drive I dont even remember the Royal Palm Beach drive anymore so Im not too sure JS Ok let me see if I can draw the distinction for you and maybe that will help you to help us Royal Palm Beach is a village that is No no no I got Royal Palm Beach I just didnt know the Royal Palm Beach Drive like what street its off of Were you talking about a street Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Yes I was talking about a street Royal Palm Drive is on the island of Palm Beach and its a street that is lined with large royal palm trees and Im wondering if this was an apartment on the island or was this an apartment out west of town No it was actually in Royal Palm Beach not on the island JS Alright I would be driven it was closer to my family than it was closer to him I wanted to be close enough to everybody else so that when I was in town I could just go see them quickly JS Ok So were not talking about Royal Palm Boulevard Were talking about the town of Royal Palm west of town Jeffrey got you an apartment out there Thats correct JS When he was in Palm Beach you were generally not staying at the mansion you were staying at the apartment that he got for you out west of town Thats correct JS Ok I mean then there was times I dont wanna say that every time I stayed at my apartment There was times wed fly back from some city maybe too late at night to really want to go back home so you know its like at night or in the morning I was just staying in the yellow room or something like that one of the guest rooms in Palm Beach But majority of the time I would definitely want to get back to my own apartment JS Alright What were the general hours of your full time employment when There was not set hours It wasnt like logging and you know hitting the shift button nothing like that The way I would get paid would be ok if I was in Palm Beach I would get an hour to massage Jeffrey or some of his friends and then go home So it would be like that If I was traveling with him it would be per massage so I would be getting paid per day So I wouldnt be getting paid on an hourly rate He wouldnt say ok today youre going to work for me from in the morning until at night It never like that I was on call all the time JS When you were here in Palm Beach were you actually getting paid only for the time spent massaging Jeffrey or were you getting paid from your arrival at his house until you left the house From the time the massage started Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS From the time the massage started Ok Sometimes wed go there and I would wait for a while or talk with Ghislaine and Jeffrey about something or wed meet somewhere and talk about something A lot of times Id meet him upstairs in his room where he was ready for me But then there was a lot of times where it didnt start right away so he couldnt really pay me from the time I got there sometimes unless it was just paid from the time I massaged him til the time the massage was over JS Alright Did your duties for Jeffrey ever include anything other than providing him massages and sex in connection with the massages Did he ever give you any other responsibilities to perform I was asked to do the same things that I did to Jeffrey to a few of his fellow colleagues as well Those were my duties He looked at it this way is that I was going to be a professional massage therapist and maybe I needed some clientele so he had me perform erotic massages on a few people JS Did that start here in Palm Beach County It did The first one did JS Ok and how long after you first met Jeffrey did he first ask you to provide services for one of his friends About months I think it was It wasnt a full year it wasnt months but between months and a year which is why Im saying months JS And when you provided services to a friend of Jeffreys who paid you for those services Jeffrey would I would get paid the next time I saw Jeffrey so if I was invited to the Breakers Hotel to give a massage I would give a massage I would go home and the next day when I saw Jeffrey he would pay me for what I did So it was paid always by him it was set up by him so he always knew what to pay me I did get tips and things like that if you call it that you know like a hundred dollar tip or something from a few of them you know yeah JS Was there There was always payment from Jeffrey JS Was there ever any discussion with Jeffrey about what was expected to happen when you provided massage services to one of Jeffreys friends Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 In a roundabout way yes In so many ways Jeffrey really really had to train me and that was why Ghislaine said that she and Jeffrey enjoyed me so much was because they never really had to speak much to me to tell me what they wanted me to do You know I wasnt waiting for you know their directions Jeffrey would tell me to go give an erotic massage to friends He wouldnt give me much detail about it but he would say to treat them like you treat me JS Did he refer to it as an erotic massage or are those your words Erotic massage is my words Thats exactly what it was but he would tell me to treat them how he wanted it so Id do what he wanted without having to say to me words more I mean I complied with what he wanted because it was somewhat of a I dont know I dont know how to say it it was just very mindboggling how I let him have so much control or power over me basically The massages would be routine to what Jeffrey wanted with my so called new clientele and with their own words would ask me to provide them with sexual pleasure after the massage JS Did you ever report back to Jeffrey about what happened when you provided massages to his friends Of course of course and I knew that his friends were reporting back to him as well because there were times where he would instigate conversation by saying you know so and so had a great time you did wonderful you know so and so gave me a call and told J.E how it went JS Did Jeffrey ever elicit details from you Tell me what happened describe in detail what went on No but he would have a laugh he had a laugh with me a few times about some of their different mannerisms I guess you would say like some of them one guy had a foot fetish and that was really weird and I mentioned it to Jeffrey and we would have a laugh over it He didnt want to know details He wasnt asking me so tell me what did you guys do exactly No he just basically gave me a slap on the back and said you know good job And we had some kind of conversation about it I cant recall any conversation off the top of my head I really dont know one Its been that long But yeah we did talk about it briefly JS Can you give me an estimate as to the number of friends for whom Jeffrey provided and paid for your services There was about you know I dont know guys possibly JS And are you able to name those people for me Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 No not at this stage I just some of these people are really influential in power and I dont want to start another shitstorm with a few of them Ill tell you that there was some erotic massages given to Im just afraid to say it to you JS Ok Virginia Its like geez I dont know ifl want to Im really scared of where this is gonna go JS Alright I understand that and as I told you from the beginning if I ask you a question that you are uncomfortable answering you just tell me that and I will move on and I understand that at least right now you are uncomfortable answering and I am certainly going to respect that Thank you so much Jack JS No thats quite alright I am very appreciate of the cooperation you are providing and I dont want you at any time to feel that we are taking unfair advantage of that cooperation so give me the information that youre comfortable giving me and if we get to a point where youre uncomfortable I will respect that and well move on from there Ok JS I want to talk a little bit about the traveling that you did with Jeffrey About how long into your relationship with him did that first start Immediately I started traveling immediately Not internationally until I think about Gosh I cant remember even I think it was a year later that we started doing international travel Maybe like months to a year again Not too sure to be honest JS So that would have been approximately the summer of Somewhere around there Yes Somewhere around there Somewhere around a year somewhere around there I cant pinpoint it exactly But like I said we started doing domestic traveling immediately so my first destination with him was New York and Santa Fe and the Carribean California I would take trips with him occasionally Sometimes we would go to St Louis or New Orleans or Santa Cruz We were traveling just about everywhere I think JS How did you travel Well we took Jeffreys private jet and unless I was being sent somewhere by myself for what we were just talking about before then I would travel on a what do you call a public jet whatever it is JS commercial flight Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Yes Just a normal flight an e-ticket JS Like the rest ofus common folk But when I was traveling with Jeffrey the majority of the time would be on the black jet JS Now when you say there would be times when you would travel by yourself because he was sending you somewhere tell me about that How did that come about So one of his colleagues would be at the Carribean or Santa Fe or even New York or wherever and he would call me up on those days where I am not working with him or in Palm Beach with him and he would ask me to get on the next plane to so and so and go meet so and so and thats when I would take e-tickets His secretary or special assistant whatever would organize it for me and give me the details and I would just walk up the line and theyd let me right through JS Can you give me any ideas as to how many times it happened that Jeffrey would send you off to meet some friend of his at some location outside of Palm Beach How many times it happened Im not too sure Probably about times JS Ok And on those occasions how much time would you spend with one of Jeffreys friends when you were sent to a location that you would have to travel to Only a couple of days Only days thats it JS And how were you paid for those trips I would be paid in cash upon my arrival back with Jeffrey So whenever I was back with Jeffrey he would count up how many days Ive had sometimes give me even more than what I deserved not deserved but what I earned and give me a little extra JS Was there a daily rate for those trips or was that per massage also Per massage With Jeffrey I would be honest I wouldnt tell him I did massages if I didnt He knew he could trust me He could always come back to the other person that he sent me to give massages and ask them as well so you know it was always by per massage JS Alright When weve been talking about massages tell me exactly what it is were talking about when we speak about massages Same thing I would do to Jeffrey Again it would start out as a massage which would start with them being naked and me giving him a legitimate massage to begin with so Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Id start with his feet go up to his calves up his legs buttocks back his neck his head his arms yada yada and then it would be time to flip over and some of the men would want me to continue on massaging the front side of them and they would instigate me to begin having sex with them or foreplay whatever you want to call it JS So routinely these massages involved sexual activity Is that accurate That is accurate JS Ok Lets talk about the travel that you were involved in when you were on Jeffreys private plane Generally speaking who were the passengers on the plane when you traveled Well Larry was the pilot and then there was a short small solid guy I dont know his name but he was a co-pilot and then he changed and there was another guy brought in later on Generally speaking there was always Jeffrey sometimes Ghislaine sometimes Emmy sometimes a whole bunch of other girls sometimes famous people sometimes some politicians or yeah just about anybody could fly on his plane There was never no any set routine who would come and who would go It was an influx of people on Jeffreys airplane JS I want to deal with these things separately in order to respect some of the reservations that you have so Im going to ask you who the people were that you remember flying with Jeffrey on his plane when you were personally present without regard to whether there was any sexual activity that occurred on the plane or not So Im not asking you to implicate any of these famous people in improper conduct but just tell me what the names of the people are that you remember that you consider to be famous people Ok there was Naomi Campbell Heidi Klum there was Bill Clinton There was Al Gore there was a whole bunch of models I wouldnt really honestly be able to give their names There was Matt Groning the producer of the simpons cartoon Jack CCousteaus granddaughter a lot of interior designers architects politicians I am just trying to think of as many names as possible for you Off the top of my head thats as good as I can get for now JS Ok alright thats fine And again I am not implying by my questions nor do I want your answers to be interpreted as your suggesting that any of those people that you have just identified were engaged in any improper activities on any particular flight but I want to talk to you now about what went on on occasion on the airplane Ok Ok It was a lot of the same thing that went down on the ground A lot of times it would be just be me and Jeffrey or me and Jeffrey and Ghislaine or me and Jeffrey and some other girl sometimes Emmy Sarah and Nadia Bjournik There would be sexual conduct there would be foreplay there was a bed in there so we could basically reenact exactly Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 what was happening in the house It would start off with massaging or we would start off with foreplay sometimes it would lead to you know orgies JS Were there occasions when you were in Jeffreys company whether on the ground or in the air where there were other girls present whom you knew to be under age Yes There was a constant influx of girls coming in and going out And we were all very young On occasion there was some older girls and I dont mean older as in like in their or anything I mean like something like that just very rarely The majority of the girls that Jeffrey actually met or had on his plane or in his house were under age JS Do you know how it is that Jeffrey established with any of these underage girls Yes I do He would send me personally or with other girls to clubs or shops to _pick up anywhere I mean we were constantly on the look for other girls that might satisfy Jeffrey JS What instructions were you given about what to look for Young pretty you know a fun personality They couldnt be black If they were any other descent other than white they had to be exotically beautiful That was just about it JS Who gave you those criteria They both gave us the instructions and it wasnt just me Jeffrey asked most girls to bring a friend and make extra money They would use us young girls So that way it probably looked a lot more safer to a girl that we were procuring to younger girls that were already doing it That was the way that Jeffrey had it JS Were you given any instruction at all on how to approach these girls Yes Jeffrey and Ghislaine both taught me to depending on the circumstances depending on the girl you could offer them a job as a massage therapist or you could tell them you have a really rich friend with you know great contacts in the acting world or modeling world and he loves pretty girls you should come back and meet him make some money you know we had a whole bunch of ways to be able to procure girls JS Can you give me any idea as to the total number of underage girls that you know engaged in sexual conduct with Jeffrey during the period of time you had your relationship with him I would have no way of estimating that whatsoever I mean there could be a hundred there could be more honestly Im not too sure how many girls really I wish I did know I mean like I said there were so many over the course of years with Jeffrey Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Let me see if we can try to narrow it down a little bit Is there any doubt in your mind that it was more than Yes there was definitely more than JS Ok what I want you to do is to give me the highest number that you are comfortable in saying there were definitely more than number of underage girls that I know Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sex with while I had a relationship with him How would you fill in that blank Definitely more than how many Id say definitely more than a hundred JS Alright Did Jeffrey ever help to pick out your clothes Oh yes I mean he wasnt out to dress me like a porn star or anything He would always dress me very classy but wed just go shopping all the time together JS Did he ever express any style preferences in terms of how he wanted you to dress Besides dressing classy Im you know any other suggestion to you about how he wanted you dressed He didnt like I said wasnt trying to dress me in any prostitute way or anything like that It was nice classy outfits I was wearing like Gucci Dolce Gabbana Chanel things like that He was buying me a lot of very very nice clothing It was provocative I mean I was wearing miniskirts and tight short shorts and little shirts that showed my belly and my cleavage and everything but they were very expensive clothes JS Was there every any dress up role playing Yes There was Lots of it Jeffrey loved the latex outfits Ghislane had for us girls he had bondage outfits he had all different kinds of outfits but his favorite was the schoolgirl JS Tell me about that Well you know Ghislaine would take me to dress me up to surprise J.E or Jeffrey would ask me to get dressed up that would include wearing a tiny little skirt with nothing underneath a white collared shirt that you would be wearing to school with a tie in it tied up _in a bow_ my hair in pigtails stockings on up to my knees and I would go in there and act like a kid and wed do role playing sexing JS Did Jeffrey ever brag to you about the age of any of the girls with whom he had relationships Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Yes he did He did all the time The worst one that I heard from his own mouth was this pretty year old girls he had flown in for his birthday It was a surprise birthday gift from one of his friends and they were from France I did see them I did meet them Jeffrey bragged afterwards after he met them that they were year olds and flown over from France because theyre really poor over there and their parents needed the money or whatever the case is and they were absolutely free to stay and flew out Those were the worst ones He was constantly bragging about girls ages or where he got them from or their past and how terrible their past was and good he is making it for them JS Where were the year old girls flown to from France Where did they come to Palm Beach JS And were they flown in on Jeffs private plane or did they get transported No They were transported by somebody else JS Ok Was the sexual activity that went on on the airplane conducted in such a way so that any of the crew was aware of what was going on They were told to knock if they had to come out if the crew had to come out They were told you know to come out as little as possible so they werent out there hanging out watching everything no but it doesnt take an idiot to put two and two together to say well theres a whole bunch of half dressed teenagers on board with this old man who is constantly being massaged by them and he wants me to keep the door shut for what reason I mean only they could put that together but yeah they knew JS Did Mr Epstein ever talk to you about people of power and influence owing him favors He would laugh about it you know I never really knew what to take serious from Jeffrey because he was such a funny character at times You never knew if what he was saying was true or not Yeah lots of people owed him favors from what he told me Hes got everybody in his pocket and he would laugh about he helps people for the sole purpose in the end they owe him something Thats why I believe he does so many favors in the first place JS When and how did you first become aware that Mr Epstein was in trouble with the law I was first informed by I think someone from the FBI called me first and started to ask me questions and I started to answer the questions but then fear took over and I just said look I dont know whats going on Ive got a young family that I dont want to risk you know please dont bother me about this again and it was real short simple conversation and within a week or I had gotten a call from Jeffreys attorney and then a week later Jeffrey himself Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Ok well lets back up before we get to those conversations and tell me approximately when it was that you were contacted by the person who you believe was with the FBI Ok Its hard for me to pinpoint ifl had to pinpoint it it would be in sometime JS Alright And you were living in Australia at that time correct Correct JS You were contacted by telephone Thats correct by my cell phone JS Ok and do you have any idea how your name came up leading to that contact No idea No idea whatsoever When I did ask I was told that some girls had revealed my name I guess and thats how everybody the FBI knew to contact me JS OK But I dont know offhand or sorry I just walked into the wrong room JS Ok Sorry go on JS Yes Ill never tell her you said that Virginia how long was it after that phone call from the FBI person were you contacted by Mr Epsteins lawyers Like a week It was back to back to each other I remember being so scared after talking to the FBI thinking whats happening whats going on Its been like years years at that stage how did they find me what do I have to do with this So yeah I do remember that very well and it was only about a week later I was called by his attorney JS Who was it that contacted you do you remember I want to say Bill Riley but he might have been from the FBI No it was Bill Riley Bill Riley Not sure if thats his correct name but thats what is coming to mind JS What do you remember about that conversation I remember a Mr Goldberger as well I remember there might have been two of them JS Alright Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 I cant remember which one it was I want to say Bill Riley is the good one JS Alright so either Bill Riley or a Mr Goldberger or both of them contacted you and what do you remember about that I dont know if it was the same guy who contacted me that week later who put me in touch with Jeffrey I think he was on the phone and he put speakerphone on with Jeffrey So he connected me with Jeffrey I dont know if it was the same guy or different but I definitely know that Bill Riley was the first guy to contact me Im pretty sure about that JS Ok Tell me about that conversation He asked me what I knew about whats going on with Jeffrey and apparently there was an investigation being held about some of the girls who had come out and said that Jeffrey had sexual contact with them under the age of a minor and that he was discrediting lot of these girls and making them out to be drug addicts and prostitutes and what have you so they wouldnt be looked upon as worthy in the courts eyes so to speak And you know he told me in the first five minutes that you know if I stay quiet that Ill be looked after And that was the exact way it was said It wasnt like you know Im gonna pay you a zillion dollars or anything if you be quiet but ifI stay quiet I would looked after And I remember saying I dont want any part to do with this You know this is not something I want to be a part of Ive got a young family I wish the best for everybody in this you know take care kind of thing A week later I was called after the hearing by one of Jeffreys lawyers I cant tell you exactly which one it was but he had Jeffrey on the other line and he connected Jeffrey and I and Jeffrey tried to make some simple conversation How are you How have things been You know what I mean catching up JS Do you know if the lawyer did the lawyer stay on the line while Jeffrey was speaking to you Im pretty sure he did Thats why I think Jeffrey was on speaker phone because it sounded a lot different and I was never taken off the line to begin with or connected to another line so I was pretty sure Jeffrey was on speaker phone and the lawyer was making the call After the simple conversation it led to what was going on again and you know Jeffrey couldnt believe it You know he thought he helped all these girls out He didnt think he was wrong in any circumstance here at all A lot of these girls were drug addicts and just after drug money You know he was really putting down these women or these girls I should say not giving them the credit they deserved and then he exactly repeated what the lawyer said the week before is that he would look after me if I stayed quiet and if I need any help you know his lawyers would represent me and he would get legal help for me whatever I need he would do and I told him exactly I said Jeffrey Im the mother of two children at that stage Im away from everything there I dont want to be a part of it Im not going to speak to anybody and I dont want to speak to anybody I dont want to be involved That was the last time I heard from him And the Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 next thing I knew I was sent my victims letter my notification of being a victim through the US Attorneys Office and thats when I knew it was well out there enough not to have Jeffreys lawyers come back on me and discredit me in the same way he had done to all the other girls So I called up Joseph Bird who was the recommended lawyers on my paperwork that they had given me and started going from there JS So you contact Mr Joseph Bergs office and then you were dealing with his office from that point forward Thats correct JS Tell me about the ending of your relationship with Jeffrey That is at what point in time did your full time employment end and how did that happen Ok So it hadnt really ended I walked away from it all Jeffrey sent me to Thailand where I met my husband and escaped to Australia never to return back to the states About months prior to that he came up with a proposition that I thought was really disgustingly sick And it really showed me for the first time in years I had been with him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him which I did not like He offered me a mansion and some of his money every month I forget what he called it a monthly income of what he made to bear one of his children The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Jeffrey and I that I would have to sign my child over to him basically and that the child would be his and Ghislaines and I would be looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey and I So I was kind of freaked out by all of that I pushed Jeffrey more to please get me some more training you know and I was getting older and not of as much interest to Jeffrey anyways I was now and he likes a female a lot younger So he sent me to Thailand in September I was first supposed to meet a girl there and bring her back with me but I never met up with her I proceeded get a short course in Thai massage so that was to shut me up about my training so I went there and one of my friends from school invited me to watch a fight like a muay thai fight which is like a form kickboxing So I went and watched it and I saw this guy that was a really good fighter and a girls word looked really hot so I asked my friend who knew him to introduce me We got introduced and fell in love immediately days later Rob proposed and days later I was being married in a buddist temple I called Jeffrey and told him Im sorry Im never coming back Ive gotten married Ive fallen in love I thought hed wish the best for me but he was kind of rude and he just said have a good life and hung up the phone and that was the last time Id talked to him ever until all this started again JS Ok Virginia is there anything else that you would like to add to what you have told us up to this point in time Id like to know that this time around somethings going to be done about it and that Jeffrey and a lot of his colleagues no matter how rich they are will know that there is Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 law and that there is people that still believe in it So thats it Thank you guys for listening to me hearing me out and helping me Its kind of hard to get through JS Thank you very much Yes Im sure it has been very difficult and I am very appreciative of the courage you have shown in doing what you have done which really brings me to the last subject and that is what was it that motivated you to go public with all ofthis Sharon Richard contacted me I like her I do I like her a lot I know shes a journalist and journalists are normally bloodsucking leeches but I like her for that but she is an honest bloodsucking leech She told me a lot about what was still going on and she showed me a picture of Jeffrey with a little girl who looks like she could have been years old I mean it was disgusting I agreed to talk with her I never agreed to do anything until she showed me some pictures and at that stage being a mother of children and having a daughter who I would do anything for to protect I would put my neck on the line to make sure she never has to go through what I had to go through and knowing all of this and knowing that hes still out there doing the same exact thing with no regrets no remorse no worry about what hes doing to those girls and all those girls feeling the same way that I did so I you know Im doing it because I believe in my heart of hearts its the right thing to do Its what I would want somebody to do for my daughter or my sister or my friend and it saddens me to know that its still going on right now Its like the seashell story I dont know if youre heard the story about the little kid who throws back a starfish you know the little brother tries to ask his sister why do you throw them in theyre all gonna die anyways the little girl says well its this one that I can help and this one that I can help and thats what I feel like Im doing Im making a small dent in this big world we live in JS I certainly appreciate that courage and I have heard that story and youre absolutely right that one person may not be able to make a difference for everyone but one person can make a difference for someone and hopefully you are making a difference for someone and were gonna do the best we can to make sure you are making a difference for as many people as possible Thanks Jack JS Just a few other follow up things I want to ask you and again if any of these questions are questions that youre uncomfortable in responding to then dont hesitate to tell me that Do you have any recollection of Jeffrey Epsteins specifically telling you that Bill Clinton owes me favors Yes I do It was a laugh though He would laugh it off You know I remember asking Jeffrey whats Bill Clinton doing here kind of thing and he laughed it off and said well he owes me a favor He never told me what favors they were I never knew I didnt know if he was serious It was just a joke JS Where was here Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 He told me a long time ago that everyone owes him favors Theyre all in each others pockets JS When you say you asked him why is Bill Clinton here where was here On the island JS When you were present with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton on the island who else was there Ghislaine Emmy and there was young girls that I could identify I never really knew them well anyways It was just girls from New York JS And were all of you staying at Jeffreys house on the island including Bill Clinton Thats correct He had about or different villas on his island separate from the main house and we all stayed in the villas JS Were sexual orgies a regular occurrence on the island at Jeffreys house Yes JS If we were to take sworn testimony from the people I am going to name and if those people were to tell the truth about what they knew do you believe that any of the following people would have relevant information about Jeffreys taking advantage of underage girls So Ill just name a name and you tell me yes if they told the truth I think theyd have relevant information or no I dont think they would or I dont know whether they would or not Ok You understand Yes JS Ok Les Wexner I think he has relevant information but I dont think hell tell you the truth JS Ok Alan Dershowitz Yes JS David Copperfield Dont know JS Tommy Matola Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Dont know JS Prince Andrew Yes he would know a lot of the truth Again I dont know how much he would be able to help you with but seeing hes in a lot of trouble himself these days I think he might so I think he may be valuable Im not too sure of him JS Ok Virginia I think thats all I have for you Let me tell you what I would like to do As I told you in the beginning of this conversation weve been recording it and hopefully weve got a clear enough recording so that weve taken down everything accurately and when its transcribed it will be clear and accurate but what I would like to do is transcribe it send it to you have you take a look at it and if theres anything that we got wrong in the statement you can write back and you can make changes in the transcript so that the transcript is accurate Is that fair No worries That is fair No problem JS Alright great I really do appreciate that and tell me what the best way is to send the transcript to you Email If you just want to send it by email or if you want to send it by mail either or JS Ok Give me your email address if you would please JS Let me read that back to you Yep thats it BE Thank you Jenna appreciate it No problem Brad JS Thank you very very much Bye Bye now Take care Jack Nice meeting you JS You too Redaction has been made at the request of the witness
