X-2HIBI-3T Case Document Filed Page of Case Document Filed Page of PRIVILEGED PURSUANT TO FS and/or WORK PRODUCT TELECON PARCIPA.NTS JACK SCAROLA BRAD EDWARDS VIRGINIA ROBERTS RE Edwards adv Epstein DATE April JS Virginia Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards BE Hi Virginia Hi Jack Hi Brad How you guys doing JS Were doing fine thank you Im sorry for all of the trouble and before we go any further let me tell ou if have your permission I have started a tape recorder and I want to be able to tape thi conversation from the very beginning Is tha alright with you ure thats fine Jack No problem JS Ok good thank you I appreciate that Let me start off by introducing yself know that Brad has spoken to you about me but I am Brads lawyer and I assume that you can confirm that you and I have never had any communication before Is that ri ght Thats correct JS Alright I have however gotten some information from Brad abou1 conversations that you have had with hi and that will enable me opefully to make this a little bit more fllfi ci61lt-aa up a miRim1m1 amount of your timii url!ils st ill tiag iafermia-a1 iocHa 1hat we think is going to be helpful to us and to any jury that might ultimately ha ve to hear these facts So let me begin by asking you first to tell us what your full name is Yir fn i Louise Roberts Tha my maiden name My married name is Virginia Louise EXHIBIT AG BLANDO REPORTING IY 1A NON PARTY VR ll JFF E0 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone in erview with Virginia Roberts Pa of23 JS Could you spell your last name for us That is your married last name JS Alright thank you and where are you li ving right now I live in Australia JS And how ong have you esided in Australia This i my th year JS That is where yo are right now correct We ve reached you in Australia for trus phone conversation That is correc yes And what time js it in Australia right now I think its about now Ok Thats 9am correct Thats correcL JS Alright Virginia the reason for this conversation is ecause it is our understanding that you know a man by the name Jeffrey Epstein and I want to begin by asking you please to tell us about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr Epstein Ok I was introduced to Mt Epste in by Ghis aine Maxwell was working at Donald Trumps spa in Mar-a-Lago and I was prompted by Ghislaine to come to Jeffrey mansion in Palm Beach that afternoon after work to make some extra money and to earn about massage She met me at the spa and I was reading a book about anatomy I was already interested in massage therapy as it was and not having any of the education or you know anything behind me I thought this was a great opportunity to work for her and go So I went lo Jeffi-eys mansion about in tbe afternoon My dad drove me there My dad wo ked at Mar-a-Lago with me and he met Gh1slame and she seemed like a nice proper English lady and she knows I mean you know one time then once before I left to travel overseas she just seemed really nice and li sbe woul lik to help me out So my dad eft and I had no problem etting home that rugbt one of her drivers would take me back after my Lrial So she led me upsta ir and into Jeffrey bedroom and past tha is Jeffreys massage room which has got his steam room and a shower an a massage table and there is actual an extra room that bas that nobody knows about it it kinda like a secret room and it go a whole bunch of ecorative pictures of pornographic literature and sex t.o and I can what happened in there NON PARTY VR I VFF Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of2J JS When you say that the room was b:idden Virginia how was the room concealed It wasnt like a door that you would normally go into Like some kind of spec ial opening you open that and then a little door so it looks like its a little closet so-to-speak but when you walk in there its obviously a lot bigger than just a closet It wasnt too big but it was bigger you know It wasn a gigantic room it was just like a small room which you know it probably could fit some shoes in there _it had racks of shoes boxes some sweatshirts neatly folded an the ceiling to the floor was covered in pornographic pictures of the girls that he had met JS When you say So anyways that was getting there and was introduced to Jeffrey he was laying naked on top of the massage table and obviously for one I a year old girl and seeing him on the table was weird but also learning about anatomy and massage I thought this would be part of it So obviously thought it was part of the massage program so I said ok this is fine And he then instructed me on how to touch the body Jeffrey body how to massage him and for the first hour it was actually a real massage maybe not an hour maybe like minutes or something but of something like that and thats when be turned over on the other side and to expose himself fuJly So then Ghislaine told me that she wanted me to undress and began to take off my shirt and skirt my whlte uniform from Mar-A-Lago she also took off her shirt and got undressed and sol was there with just my undies on and she was completely bare and made some kind of little flake about the underwear that I was wearing because it wasnt my nonnal sexy girl underwear and just like I dont know had red hearts on it or something ike that just your normal you know real cute Wlderwear Anyways so during all of this Im kind of like whats going on how do I act what do I say I was so afraid of not afraid or fearful for my life but _unsure of how all this started and wanting to obtain a profession was so afraid thinking about up setti ng and disappointing them I dont know it a weird situation by far and I was expected to _Lick his nipples instructed on how to do so by J.E and give him oral sex while he wanted to fondle me and then at the end was told by Ghislaine to get on top and straddle Jeffrey sexually and when we were done we we nt and had a shower in the room and effrey told me to wash him up and down you know with a bar of soap and make sure he was all cleaned up And then he took me downstairs and took me to two of the guards and told John to bring me home John was the butler at the time JS Let me interrupt you for just a moment there if I could Virginia You mentioned as you were reco unting those details that you were IS years old at the time What is your date of birth Augu JS And can ou tell us please as best you re able estimate it what the date was when this first encounter occurred NON PARTY VR lfilE0867 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Ive got it written down It like I not good i th math ho on I thought I 1,;rote it down but I didnt Im not too sure I think it was off the top of my head and around June of I would say as I turning at the end of the summer JS AJright You talked about the room where Jeffrey had the pornographic photographs Did you actually see that room on the occas i on of your first visi there No I got to sec that room a few visits afte but I was just try i ng to describe that room to you guys so you knew exactly what room was talking about JS Another question for you and don mean to be prying in your personal life and if ask you any questions at all that youre uncomfortable answering then you just tell me that and we ll move on because appreciate your cooperation and the ast I thing want to do is impose upon that cooperation but can you tell us please just generally what kind of sexual experience you had bad prior to this confrontation with effrey Yeah sure A close family friend has sexually abused me and I was on he streets at years old I was picked up by a year old man named Ron _Eppinger_ who did exactly what Jeffrey did with me abuse and violate my youthfuJness I was with him for months So be was gone and then I had this boyfriend who was ike my school friend fr young days but we just kep1 in contact with each other and we were on and off constantly and that was Tony Figeroua__ and there was al so another younger guy was near my age Michael cant remember hi ast name but yeah there mean there wasnt like a string of men or anything but there was Ron like I told you and be was the first guy expecting me to do so-caHed disgusting affairs Jeffrey actually knew Ron which was quite weird when I told Jeffrey the story about Ron and Jeffrey had actually met him and yeah Anyway just another story and yeah there were a coup of men but hat gives you an idea JS Now when you described tbe photographs in the room as pornographic tell me just a little bit abou the photographs if you would please First bow many of them were there least and like I said they covered the room from the ceiling not the ceiling but from the top of he edge of the wall to the bottom of the floor I want to say at least a hundred even more there could have been more the boxes Some of ffiem were A4 photographs Jjke the large i ze some of naked women posing you know positions sexy posi ions Others were you know some girls bad bikinis on and it a sn pornographic but it was all women and jt was all in a sexual nature JS Were there photographs where more than one person appeared Oh eah plenty of them There were lots of naked photographs I mean I was just trying to give ou a visual range There was anything from 5x6s to 4x8s to 8x4s Some of them NON PART VR GIUFFRE0868 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 had frames some of them were out of frames but they were all like I said they were all women they were an sexual in nature JS Was it your impression that there were a hundred photos of a hund ed different people or were there multiple photos of the same woman or girl There was definitely a lot of different i rls I mean it wasn easy sit there and say you werent finding gjrls out of some photos no Were there a hundred different ones There could have been pictures of some girls I really couldnt get close necessarily to actually recognize faces or anything ike that But if you you know the range of them were all different majority of them were different yeah JS Did there ever come a point in time when you became aware that a photograph of you had been added lo he collection Yes there was Ghislaine took several nude photographs of me for Jeffrey So yeah there were pictures of me and there were pictures he wasnt shy that wasnt the only place in his house that be kept the photos He liked photos all over his house I you looked in his den or on i desk or in on the hall table a giant hall table his house there were at least a hundred photos of girls in frames Not all of them were naked a lot oftbe ones that were all around his house were not naked girls posing pornographically some were pictures of celebrities and politicians he had k:nown _o things like that or had pants on or whatever but yeah there was a lot of mixed photographs in the outside ones JS Were there any photographs of girls or young women that you knew or that you subsequently came to know that you saw in the house Yeah yeah the was There was pictures of Nadia Bjoumik pictures Sarah Keller pictures Emmy pictures of me pictures of the regulars but a lot of the gfrls sometimes Jeffrey could have like girls a day and he would only see those girls once if he got bored I dont know These weren my days I heard hes gotten a lot sloppier since I left So I dont know anyways but when I knew him there was just a it seemed there was such an influx of girls coming in and out so did recognize a Jot of them Maybe maybe not but then they were all definitely beautiful they were all ranging in age some of them young some of them olde i their I mean it was just they were all beautiful JS You told us about the first visit Was there any discussion on the occasion of that first visit about your returning Yes they were very pleased with me and after the encounter was finished the sexuaJ encounter he went and to me I did well and I have a lot of potential to become a massage therapist and if I like I could return tomorrow you know and do the same thing and get paid so Jeffrey insisted that come after work and over the next few days I guess the relationship grew into more and ithin a ouple of weeks not even NON PART GJUFFRE0869 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone inter ew with Virginia Roberts Page of23 a coup of weeks maybe a week bad quit Mar-a-Lago and I was working for Jeffrey full time JS Ok lets talk about your job at Mar a-Lago if we could You said that your Dad was working there What was his position at Mar-a-Lago He was a maintenance supervisor I think is what i was called He like managed the tennis courts and air conditioners and things Like that JS What is your Dads full name Sky William Roberts JS And is he stil living here in South Florida now No hes not hes in California JS Ok ls your Dad aware of what is currentJy going on with regard to your having made pub ic statements about your relationship with Jeffrey Yes he is well aware of it I told my family even before aJl this stuff came out because they were the first ones contacted by the journalists from Mail on Sunday know that they the Mail on Sunday printed that I had gone out and tried to mean I think one of the photos said that I was angry that I saw Jeffrey and the Prince walking together and ha is why I came out and went public with everytrung Not true I mean am angry about how they are still up to their old ways together and that theyre still hanging out but I didnt contact the Mail on Sunday and i dnt bring it out I figured that everyone was going to briog it out anyway and I better bring i out the right way Hes known everything from the start and my family is very supportive witJ1 everything going on JS Im kind of going to jwnp around a ittle bit and I apologize for that but since the subject has come up telJ me first of all why you are providing trus cooperation to us and I am certainly very appreciative of it bu I want you to tell us why it is youve chosen to spend time with us on the telephone and provide this information that youre now providing out to elp the bigger picture you know I think all of us can make a big difference in a lot of other people lives and I think that this has gone on long enough and its a big slap in my face that he can get away with hurting me so bad let alone so many other girls and laugh about i guess I talked to you guys out because I want to see the right thing happen not just to him but I want people in the world to understand this is not the way of life you know it not acceptable to go out procure young girls and make them think that this is the way you should be living and thats all Yeah I guess my reason for doing it is to help the bigger picture you know Im a big believer in karma and believe that good tbjngs will come back to you_ so I guess thats why rm doing this NON PA GJ FFRE087 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of JS Just for the record aeither Brad nor I aor anyone representing that they have anything to do with us has made any promises to you Is that correct That is correct IJ tell you since this is our first conversation that nobody bas made me feel like Ive been bribed or bought or had to say anything Ive told you anything that I know from my own self not some things somebo told me If anything Brad been extra careful oot to tell anything and let me do all the talking so it quite opposite I think JS Alright Lets get back then to the story of your relationship Vith Jeffrey and weve talked about your first encounter with him and how it evolved from that into your full time employment with Jeffrey but what were you doing at Mar-a-Lago before you quit Mar-a-Lago I was just a ocker room attendant and sometimes I did babysitting for the rich and famous So wasnt anything big I worked in the pa area Tha why I was studying anatomy because was really rea ll interested in becoming a _mass age therapist_ and at the locker room I didn do much I mean I was making tea for a living I would you know make sure the toilet paper had a little triangle in it after everybody went to the oilet or wipe down the water frorn the bas in you know i was a very easy peasy job JS Did you get that job through your Dad Yes my Dad got me the job JS Ok and you were only years old at the time were they aware of how old you were at Mar-a-Lago Of course definite We had to go through extensive you know we even bad to get drug tested and id test and so on and so forth I mean Mantas is very strict on employment yeah everybody knew JS Ok Was there eve any conversation with Ghislaine about how old you were before you were taken to Jeffrey mansion No She didnt ask me how old was from the start but when I did get to Jeffreys mansion 1t was discussed how old was JS With whom During the entire hour of what I call the le giti mate massage I was giving mm it was cat and 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become a legitimate masseuse but it was getting trai ned They would have people show me bow to work the body and be called a massage therapist and get me books on it and ou know keep me interested and every ime you know I was ith Jeffrey literally was about massages I don mean just going in and have sex with him mean massage because it would aJways start out with massage and theo it would lead into so etimes othe things JS Alright once this evolved into fuJI time employment what did fuU time employment mean That was entirely having to travel with Jeffrey in every city Wheo he was in PaJrn Beach stayed at my apartme and he would call me to his house once or twice a day sometimes and thats you know do things with him Sometimes wed go out opping sometimes wed go out and watch a movie You know simple thin,gs like that go to an expo or a fair whatever it was But when we were in other cities I was at my apartment I lived with him full time What mean by fuJI time is even in the middle of the night could get a ring on my ph one next to me and tell me to come in his room you know so it was literally fuJI time JS When yo say that when you were in Palm Beach you we re Jiving in your apartment were you living on your own or were you living with members of your family at that time No after I quit Mar-a-Lago Jeffrey offe ed to get me an apartment in Palm Beach somewhere Royal Pahn Beach and it was a nice apartment He furnished it fo me it was absolutely beautiful but yeah thats the only time would spend time away from him really JS This apartment was on Royal Palm Beach Boulevard out in the Village of Royal Palm Beach I so honestly don remember I ve been tr ying to rack my bra in because the FBI was asking the same thing and were trying to find it but yeah I Not sur I didn"t get to spend as much rime in it I was only there about an entire week out of every month probably but the majority of the time I was with Jeffre anyways It was somewhere in Royal Palin Beach I dont know about Royal Palm Beach dnvc dont even remember the Royal PaJm Beach drive anymore so I not too ure JS Ok let me see if can draw the distinction for ou and ma be that will help you to help us Royal Palm Beach is a village 1hat is No no no I ot Royal PaJm Beach I just didn know the Ro ya Palm Beach Dr i ve like what street i!s off of Were ou talking about a street NON PARTY VR GIUFFRE00 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Yes I was talking about a street Royal Palm Drive is on the island of Palm Beach and its a street that is lined with large royal palm trees and Im wondering if th.is was an apartment on the island or was th.is an apartment out west oftown No it was acrually in Royal Palm Beach not on the island JS Alright I would be driven it was closer to my family than it was closer to him wanted to be close enough to everybody else so that when I was in town I could just go see them quickly JS Ok So were not talking about Royal Palm Boulevard Were talking about the town of Royal Palm west of town Jeffrey got you an apartment out there Thats correct JS Whe he was in Palm Beach you were generally not staying at the mansion you were staying at the apartment that he got for you out west of town Thats correct JS Ok I mean then there was times I don wanna say that every time I stayed at my apartment There was times we fly back from some city maybe too late at night to really want to go back home so you know its like at night or I in the morning was just staying in the yel ow room or somethi like that one of the guest rooms in Palm Beach But majority of the time would definitely want to get back to my own apartment JS A1righr What were the general hours of your full time employment when There was not set hours It wasn like logging and you know hitting the shift button nothing lfke that The way I wo1.1ld get paid would be ok if I was in Palm Beach I would get an hour to massage Jeffrey or some of his fiiends and then go home So it would be like thal If was traveling with him it would be per massage so I would be getting paid per day So I wouldnt be gettmg paid on an hourly rate He wouldnt say ok oday you re going to work for me from in the morning until at night Ir never like that I was on call al time JS When you were here in Palm Beach were you actually getting paid only for the time spent massaging Jeffrey or were you getting paid from your arrival at his house until you left the house From the time the massage started PA G!UFFRE Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epst in Te le phone interview i lb i inia Robelts Page of23 JS From the time the massage started Ok Sometimes wed go there an I would wait for a whi or ta with Ghislaine and Jeffre about some1hfog or we meet omewhere and talk about something A lot of times I meet him upstairs in his room where he was ready for me But then there was a lo of times here it didnt start right away so he couldn really pay me from the time got there sometimes unless it was just paid from the time I massaged him til the time the massage was over JS Alright Did your duties for Jeffrey ever include anything other than providing him massages and sex in connection with the massages Did he er give ou any other responsibilities to perform I was asked do the same things that did to Jeffrey to a few of his fellow colleagues as well Those were my duties He looked at it this way is that was going to be a professional massage therapist and maybe I needed some clientele so he had me perfonn erotic massages on a few people JS Did that start he in Palm Beach County It did The first one did JS Ok and how long after you first met Jeffrey did he first ask you to provide services for one of his friends About months I think it was It wasn a full year it wasn months but between months and a year which is why I saying months JS And when you provided services to a friend of Jeffreys who paid you for those ser ices Jeffrey would would get paid the next time saw Jeffrey so if was invited to the Breakers Hotel to give a massage would give a massage would go home and the next day when I saw Jeffrey he would pay me for what I did So it was paid alwa him i was set up by him so he alwa knew what to pay me I did get ips and things like that if you call it that you know like a hundred dollar tip or sometlung from a few of them ou know yeah JS Was there There was always payment from Jeffrey JS Was th re ever an discussion with Jeffrey about what was expe ct ed to happen when you pr vided massage services to one of Jeffre friends PART OIUl-F Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview wil.h Virginia Roberts Page of23 In a roundabout way yes In so many ways Jeffrey really reaJ bad to train me and that was wby Ghislaine said that she and Jeffrey enjoyed me so muc was beca se they never really had to speak much to me to tell what they wanted me lo do You know I wasnt waiting fo you know their directions Jeffrey would tell me to go give an erotic massage to friends He wouldnt give me much detai about it but would say to treat them li ke you treat me JS Did he refer to it as an erotic massag or are those your words Erotic massage is my words Thats exactly what it was but be would tell me to treat them bow he wanted it so Id do what he wanted without having to say to me words more I mean I comp ied with what he wanted because it was somewhat of a I don know I don know how to say it it was just very mindboggling bow I let him have so much control or power over me basical ly The massages would be routine to what effrey wanted with my so called new clientele and with their ovm words would ask me to provide them with sexual pleasure after the massage Did you ever report back to Jeffrey about what happened when you provided massages to his friends Of course of course and I knew that his friends were report i ng back to him as well because there were times where be wo uld instigate conversation by saying you know so and so had a great time you did wonderfu you know so and so gave me a ca ll and told J.E how it we JS Did Jeffrey ever elicit details from you Tell me what happened describe in detail what went on No but would a ve a laugh he had a laugh i th me a few ti mes about some of the i different mannerisms I guess you would say like some of them one guy had a fool fetish and that was really weird and I ment i oned it to Jeffrey and we wo ul have a laugh over it didn want know details He wasnt asking me so tell what did you guys do exactly No he just basically gave me a slap on the back and said you know good job An we had some kind of conversation about i cant recall any conversation off the top of my head I really dont know one lts been that long But yeah we did alk about it briefly JS Can you give me an estimate as to the number of friends for whom effrey provided and paid for your servic There was about you know I dont know guys possibly JS And are you able to name those people for me NON PARTY VR GIUFFRF.0875 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia RobertS Page of23 No not at this stage I jus some of these people are real influenti al in power and I don want to start another shitstorm with a few of em Ill tell you tha here was some erotic massages given to Im just afraid lo say it to you JS Virginfa i ke geez I don know if I want to I really scared of where th i is gonna go JS Alright I understand that and as I told you from the beg innin if I ask you a question tha you are uncomfortable answering you just tell me that and I will move on and unde stand that at least right now you are uncomfortab answering and am certainly going to respect ha Thank you so much Jack JS No thats quite alright am very app eci a te of the coopera ion you are providing and I dont want you at any time to feel that we ar taking wifair advantage of th at cooperation so give me he information that youre comfortable giv i ng me and if we get to a point whe yo re tmcomfortable I will respect that an well move on from there Ok JS I want to ta a little bit about the travelfog that you did with Jeffrey About how ong into you ela ionship with him i that first S1art Immediate I started traveling immediately Not internationally until think about Gos I can remembe even ink it was a year later that we started doing international trave Maybe like months to a year again Not too sure to be honest JS So that would have been approx i mately summer of Somewhere around there Yes Somewhere around the Somewhere aro nd a year somewhere aroun the I cant pinpoint it exac tl But like said we arted doing domestic travel i ng immediate so my first destination with him was New York and Santa Fe a the Carribeao California I wo Jd take trips with him occasionally Somet i mes we wou go St Louis or New Orleans or Santa Cruz We were traveling just about everywhere I thi JS How did you travel Well we took Jeff ey private jet and unless I was bei sen somewhe by myse for what we were just talki about before then would travel on a wha do you call a public jet wha ever it is JS commercial flight NON PAR VR GIUFFR E0 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telep ne interview with Virgi nia Robens Page of23 Yes Just a normal flight an e-ticket JS Like the rest of us common folk But when I was traveling with Jeffrey the majority of the time would be on the black jet JS Now when you say there would be times when you would travel by yourself because he was sending you somewhere tell me about that How did that come about So one of his colleagues would be at the Carri bean or Santa Fe or even New York or wherever and he would call me up on those days where I am not working with him or in Palm Beach with him and be would ask me to get on the next plane to so and so and go meet and so and thats when I would take e-tickets His secretary or special assistant whatever would organize it for me and give me the details and I would just walk up the line and theyd let me right through JS Can you i ve me any ideas as to how many ti mes it happened hat Jeffrey would send you off to meet some friend of his at some ocation outsi de of P.alm Beach How many times it happened Im not too sure Probably about times JS Ok And on those occasions how much time would you spend it one of Jeffreys friends when you were sent to a location that you would have to travel to Only a coup of days Only days that it JS And bow were you paid for those trips I wou be paid in cash upon my arrival back with Jeffrey So whenever was back with Jeffrey he would count up how many days I ve had sometimes give me even mo than what I deserved not de served but what earned and give me a little extra JS Was there a daily rate for those trips or was that per massage also Pe massage With Jeffrey wou ld be hon est I wouldnt tell him did massages if I didnt He knew he coul trust me He could always come back to the other person that he sent me to g1ve massages and ask them as well so you know it was always by per massage JS Alright When weve been talking about massages ll me exac tl what it is were talking about when we speak about massages Same thing I would do to Jeffrey Agaiu it would start out as a ma sage which wo uld start with them being naked and me giving him a legitimate massage to be gin with so NON PARTY VR GIUFFRE0 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 rd start with his feet go up to his calves up his legs buttocks back his neck bis head bis anns yada yada and then it would be time to flip over and some of the men would want me to continue on massaging the front side of them and they would instigate me to begin having sex with them or foreplay whatever you want to ca ll it JS So routinely lhese massages involved sexual activity ls that accurate That is accurate JS Ok Lets talk about the travel that you were involved in when you were Jeffreys private plane Generally speaking who were the passengers on the plane when you traveled Well Larry was the pilot and then there was a short small solid guy dont know his name but he was a co-pi lot and ii.hen he changed and there was another guy brought in later on Generally speaking there was always Jeffrey sometimes Ghislaine sometimes Emmy sometimes a whole bunch of otber girls sometimes famous people sometimes some politi cians or yeah just about anybody could fly on his plane There was never no any set routine who would come and who would go It was an influx of people on Jeffreys airplane JS want to deal with these things separately in order to respec some of the reservations that you have so Im going to ask you who the people were that you remember flying with Jeffrey on bjs plane wben you were personally present without regard to whether ther was any sexual activity that occurred on the plane or not So Im not asking you to implicate any of these famous people in improper conduct bot just tell me what the names of the people are that you remember that you consider to be famous people Ok there was Naomi Campbell Heidi Klum there was Bill Clinton There was Al Gore there was a whole bunch of models I wouldn eally honestly be able to give their names There was Matt Grorung the producer of the simpoos cartoon Jack CCousteaus granddaughter a lot of interior desjgners architects politicians lam just trying to think of as many names as possible for you Off the top of my head thats as good as I can get for now JS Ok alright thats fine And again I am not implying by my questions nor do I want your answers to be interpreted as your suggesting that any of tl ose pcop-ln 267kha"c ymo avme just iden tified were engaged in any improper activities on any particular flight but I wru.1t to talk to you now about what went on on occasion on the airplane Ok Ok It was a lot of the same thing that went down on the round A Jot of times it would be just be me and Jeffrey me a:nd effrey and Ghislaine or me and Jeffrey and some other girl sometimes Emmy Sarah and Nadia Bjoulc There would be sexual conduct there would be foreplay lbere was a bed in the re so we cou ld basical reenact exactly NON PARTY VR GIUHRE Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Eps1ein Telephone interv i ew with Virginia Roberts Page of23 what was happening in the house It would start off with mas aging or we would start off with foreplay sometimes it would lead to you know orgies Were there occasions when you were in Jeffrey company whether on the ground in the air where there were other gi rl presen whom you knew to be under age Yes There was a constant influx of girl com i ng in and going out And we were all very young On occasion there was so me der girls and don mean ol as i like in their anything I ean like something like that just very rar ely The majority of the girls that Jeffrey actually met or had on his plane or in his house were under age JS Do you know bow it i that Jeffrey established with any of these underage gir Yes do He would send me personally or with other girls to clubs or shops to _pick up anywhere mean we were constan tl on the ook fo other girls that might sat i sfy Jeffrey JS What instructions were you given about what to look for Young pretty you know a fun personality They couldn be black If the were any other descent other than wh i te they had to be otically beautiful That was just about it JS Who gave you those criteria They both gave us the instructions and it wasn just me effrey asked most gir to bring a friend and make extra money They would use us young girls So that way it probab ooke a lot more safer to a girl that we were procuring younger girls that we already doing it That was the way that Jeffrey bad it JS We you gi en any instruction at all on ow to approach these girls Yes Jeffrey and Ghislaine both taught me to depending on the circumstances depending on the girl you could offer them a job as a massage therapist or you could tell them you have a really rich friend with yo know great contacts in the acting wor or modeling world and he loves pretty girls you should come back and meet him make some mo ey ou know we had a ole bunch of ways to be able to procure gir JS Can you give me any idea as to the total nwnber of underage girls that you know ngaged in sexual conduct with Jeffrey during the period of time ou had our relationship ith him uld have ao way of estimating that whatsoever me a the could a hundred here could be more honestly not too ure bow many girls real wi I did know I mean like I said there ere man over the urse of years i th Jeffrey NON PARTY VR GIU Case Document Filed Page of Edward.5 adv Epstein Telcpbooe in erview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 JS Let me see if we can try to narrow it down a i ttle bit I there any doubt i your mind that it was more than IO Yes there was definitely mo than I JS Ok what want you to do is to give me the highest number that you are comfortable in saying there were definit el more th.an numbe of underage girls that know Jeffrey Epstein engage in sex with while had a re ationship with him How would you fill in tha blank Definitely more than how many rd say definite mo than a hun dr ed JS Alright Did Jeffrey ever help to pick out yo ur clothes Oh yes mean he wasnt out dress me like a porn star or anything He would always dress me very classy but wed just go shopping all the time together JS Did be ever express any sty prefe ences in terms of how he wanted you to dress Besides dressing classy Im you know any other suggestion to you about how he wanted you dressed He didnt like I said was trying to dress me in any prostitute way or anyth i ng like that It was nice assy outfits was wearing like Gucci Dolce Gabbana Chane things like that He was buying me a lot of very very nice othing It was rovocative I mean I was wearing miniskirts and tight short shorts and little shirts that showed my belly and my cleavage and everything but they were very expensive clothes JS Was there every any dress ole playing Yes There was Lo of it Jeffrey oved the latex tfits Ghis ane had for us girls he had bondage outfits he had all different kinds of ou fits but i favorite was the schoolgirl JS Tell me about hat Well you know Ghis aine wou take me to dress me up to surprise or Jeffrey would ask me to ge dressed up that would mclude wearing a tiny linle skill with uotbi:ug underneath a white collared shirt lhat you would be wearing to school with a tie in it tied up _in a bow_ my hair in pigtails stockings on up to my knees and I would go in there and act like a kid and wed do role playing sexing JS Did Jeffrey ever brag to you about the age any of the girls v.ith whom be had relationships NON PARTY VR G!UFFR EOO llO Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epslein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 Yes be did did all the time The worst one that I heard from his own mouth was this pretty J2 year old girls he bad flown in for his birthday It was a surprise birthday gift from one of his friends and they were from France did see them I did meet them Jeffrey bragged afterwards after met them that they were year olds and flown over from France because lhey re really poor over tbere and their parents needed the money or whatever the case is and they were absolutely free to stay and flew out Those were the wo rst ones He was constantly bragging about girls ages or where he got them from or their past and how terrible their past was and good he is making it for tl1em JS Where were the year old girls flown to from France Where did they come to Palm Beach JS And were they flown in on Jeff private plane or did they et transported No They were transported by somebody else JS Ok Was the sexual activity that went on on the airplane conducted in such a way so that any of the crew was aware of what was going on They were told to knock if they had to come out if the crew had to come out They were to ld you know to come out as little as possible so they werent out there hanging out watching everything no but it doesnt take an idiot to put two and two ogeilier to say well theres a whole bunch of half dressed teenagers on board with this old man who is constantly being massaged by them and he wants me to keep the door shut for what reason mean on they could put that together but yeah they knew JS Did Mr Epstein ever talk to you about people of power and influence ow ing him favors He would augb about it you know I never really knew what to take serious from Je ffrey because he was such a funny character at times You never knew if what he was saying was true or not Yeah lots of peopl owed him favors from what he told me Hes got everybody in his pocket and he would laugh about he helps people for the sole purpose in the end they owe him something Thats why I believe he does so many favors in the first place JS When and how did you hrst become aware that Mr Epstein was in rouble with the law I was first in formed by I think someone from the FBI called me first and started to ask me questions and I started to answer the qu estions but then fear ook over and I just said look don know whats going on fve got a yo ung family that I don want to risk you know please don bother me about this again and it was real short simple conversation and with.in a week or had gorteo a calJ from Jeffieys attorney and then a week later Jeffrey himself NON PARTY YR GIUFFRE Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Pagel of23 JS Ok well lets back up before we get to those conversations and teU me app oximately when it was that you were contacted by the person who you believe was th the FB I Ok It hard for me to pinpoint ifl had to pinpoint it it would be in sometime JS Alright And you were living in Australia at that ti.me correct Correct JS You were contacted by telephone That correct by my cell phone JS Ok and do you have any idea how your name came up leading to that contact No idea No idea whatsoever When I did ask I was to that some girls ba revea ed my name guess and thats how everybody the FBJ knew to con act me JS OK I dont know offhand or sorry just walked into the wrong room JS Ok Sorry go on JS Yes I ll never tell her you said that Virginia how long was it after that phone call from the FB I person were you contacted by Mr Epsteins lawyers Like a week It was back to back to each other I remember being so scared after talking to the fBJ thinking whats happi:ni ng whats going on I ts been ike years years at that stage how did ey find me what do have to do with this So yeah I do remember that very well and it was only about a week ater I was called his attorney JS Who was it that contacted you do you emember want to say Bill Riley bill lie might have been ltom lie fBI No was Riley B1 Ri ey Not sure if thats his correct name but that what is coming to mind JS What do you remember about that conversation remember a Mr Goldber er as well I remember there might have been tv.ro of them JS AJright NON PARTY VR GIU FF Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page of23 I cant remember which one it was I want to say Bill Riley is the good one JS A right so either Bill Ri ey or a Mr Go dberger or both of them contacted you and what do you remember about that I don know if it was the same guy who contacted me that week later who put me in Louch i th Jeffrey I think he was on the phone and he put speakerphone on with Jeffrey So he connected me with Jeffrey I dont kn.ow if it was the same guy or different but I definitely know that Bi ll Ri ey was the first guy to contact me Im pretty sure about that JS Ok Tell me about that conversatjon He asked me what I knew about what going on with Jeffrey and apparently there was an investigatio being held about some of the girls who had come out and said that Jeffrey had sexual contact with them under the age of a minor and that he was discrediting lot of these girls and making them out to be drug adwcts and prostitutes and what have you so they wouldn be looked upo as worthy in the courts eyes so to speak And you kn he to me in the first five minutes that you know if I stay quiet that I ll be looked after And that was the exact way it was said lt wasnt like you know Im gonna pay you a zillion dollars or anything if you be qmet but ifl stay quiet would looked after And I remember saying dont want any part to do with this You know this is not something I want to be a part of Ive got a young family wish the best for everybody in this you know take care kind of thing A week later I was called after the hearing by one of Jeffreys lawyers I cant tel you exactly which ope i1 was but he had Jeffrey on the other ine and he connected Jeffrey and and Jeffrey tried to make some simple conversation How are you How have things been You know what I mean catching up JS Do you know if the lawyer wd the lawyer stay on the line while Jeffrey was speak ing to you I pretty sure he did Thats why I think Jeffrey was on speaker phone because it sounded a lot different and I was never taken off the line to begin with or connected to another line so I was pretty sure Jeffrey was on speaker phone and he awyer was making the call After the simple conversation it led to what was going on again and you know Jeffrey couldnt believe it You know he thought he helped all these girls out He didnt think he was wrong in any cncumstance here at all A lot of these girls were drug addicts and just after drug money You know he was really putting do these women or these girls should say not giving them the credjt they deserved and then he exactly repeated what the lawyer said the week before is that he would look after me if stayed quiet and if I need any help you know his lawyers would epresent me and he would ge lega help for me whatever I need he would do and I told him exactly I said Jeffrey lm the mother of two children at that stage I away from everything there don want to be a part of it Im not going to speak to anybody and I don want to speak to anybody dont want to be involved That was lhe last time I heard from him And the NON PARTY VR GIL FFRE0883 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Roberts Page20 of23 thing I knew was sent my victims letter my notification of being a victim through the US Attorneys Office and thats when knew it was well out there enough not to have Jeffreys lawyers come back on me and discredit me in the same way he had done to all the other girls So I called up Joseph Bird who was the recommended lawyers on my paperwork that they had given me and started going from there JS So you contact Mr Joseph Bergs office and then you were dealing v..ith his office from that point forward That correct JS Tell me about the ending of your relationship with Jeffrey That is at what point in time did your full time employment end and how did that happen Ok So it hadnt really ended waJked away from it all Jeffrey sent me to Thailand where met my husband and escaped to Australia never to return back to the states About months prior to that he came up with a proposition that thought was really disgustingly sick And it really showed me for the first time in years I had been with him that nothing was going to change and I was always just going to be used by him which did not like He offered me a mansion and some of bis money every month forget what he called it a monthly income of what he made to bear one of bis children The proposition was that if anything ever happened between Jeffrey and I that I would have to sign my child over to him basically and that the child would be his and Ghi laines and I would looking after it as long as nothing happened between Jeffrey and So I was kind of freaked out by all of that I pushed effrey more to please get me some more training you know and I was getting older and not of as much interest to Jeffrey anyways I was now and be likes a female a lo1 younger So be sent me to Thailand in September was first supposed to meet a girl there and bring her back with me but I never met up with her I proceeded get a short course in Thai massage so that was to shut me up about my training so went there and one of my friends from school invited me to watch a fight like a muay thai fight which is like a form kickboxing So I went and watched it and saw this guy that was a really good fighter and a girl word looked really hot so asked my friend who knew him to introduce me We got introduced and fell in love immediately days ater Rob proposed and days later I was being married in a buddist temple I called Jeffrey and told him Im sorry Im never coming back Ive gott married fallen in love I thought hed wish the best for me but he was k1d of rode and he Just said have a good Ii Fe and hong op the phone and that was the ast time Id talked to him ever until all thi started again JS Ok Virg i nia is there anything se that you uld like to add to what ou have told us up to this point in time Id like to know that this time around something oing to be done about it and that Jeffr ey and a of his collea ue no matter rich they are will know that there is NON PARTY VR lffl lli0 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Te ephone inten cw with Virginia Roberu Page of2 Jaw and that there is people that still be li eve in it thats it Thank you guys for listening to me hearing me out and he lp ing me Its kind of bard to get through JS Thank you very much Yes Im sure i has been very difficult and I am very appreciative of the courage yo have shown in doing what you have done ic really brings me to the ast subject and that is what was it that motivated yo to go public with all of this Sharon Richard contacted me I ljke er do I like er a ot I know shes ajoumaJist and journalists are norrnaJly bloo sucking leeches but like her for that but she is an honest bloodsucking leech She told me a lot ahout what was still going on and she showed me a picture of Jeffrey with a itt girl who looks ike she coul have been years I mean it was disgusting I agreed talk i th her I never agreed to do anything until she showed me some pictures an a that stage being a mothe of children and having a daughter who I would do anything for protect I would put my neck on the ine to make sure she never as to go through what I had go through and knowing all of this and knowing that hes still out there do i ng the same exact thing with no regrets no remorse no worry about what hes doing to those girls and all those girls fee ing the same way that id so I you know Im doing it because I believe in my heart of hearts it the right thing to do Its what would want somebody do for my daughter or my sister or my friend and it saddens me to know that its still going on right now Its ike the seashell story I dont know if yo re heard the story about the ittle kid who throws back a starfish you know the i tt brother tries to ask bis sis er why you throw them in theyre all gonna die anyways the little girl says well its this that I can and this one tha can help and thats what I feel like Im oing Im making a small dent in this i world we Eve in JS certainJy app eciate th a courage and have beard that story and youre absolutely right that one person may not be able to make a difference for everyone but ooe person can make a difference for someone and hopefully yo are maki a ifference for someone and we re gonna do the best we can make sure you are making a difference for as many people as possible Thanks Jack JS Just a few other follow up things I want to ask you and again if any of these questions are questions that you uncomfortable in responding to then don hesitate to tell me that Do you liave any recollection of 1e1Trey t:pstelns Specifically telli you that Bill inton owes me favors Yes I do It was a laugh though He wou laugh it off You know I remember ask i ng Jeffrey whats Bill inton doing here kind of thing and he laughed 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different villas on his island separate from the main house an we a ll stayed in the villas JS Were sexua orgies a egular occurrence on the island at Jeffrey hou se Yes JS ff we were to take sworn testimony from the people am going to name and if those people were to tell the truth about at they knew do you believe that any of the following people would have relevant information about Jeffrey taking advantage of un erage girls So Ill just name a name and you tell me yes if they to the truth I think theyd have relevant information or no I dont think they would or don know whether they would or not Ok You understand Yes JS Ok Les Wexner I think he has relevant information but I dont think hell lelJ yo lhe truth JS Ok Alan Dersbow1tz Yes JS David Copperfield Don know JS Tommy Mato a NON PARTY VR GIUFFRE0886 Case Document Filed Page of Edwards adv Epstein Telephone interview with Virginia Robens Page of23 Dont know JS Prince Andrew Yes he would know a lot of the truth Again I don know how much he would be able to help you v.ith but seeing hes iin a lot of trouble himself these days I think he might so I thi he may be valuable rm not too sure of him JS Ok Virginia I think thats a ll I have for you Let me tell you what I wou ld like to do As I told you in the beginning of this conversation weve been recordin it and hopefully weve got a clear enough recording so that we ve taken down everyth i ng accurately and when its transcribed it wi ll be clear and acc urat but what I would like Lo do is transcribe it send it Lo you have you take a look at it and if theres anything that we got wrong in the statement you can write back and you can make changes in the transcript so that the transcript is accurate I that fair No worries That is fair No problem Alright great I reall do apprec i ate that and tell me what the best way is to send the transcript to you Email If you just want to send it by email or if you want to send it by mail either or JS Ok Give me your email address if you would please JS Let me ead that back to you Yep thats it BE Thank you Jenna appreciate it No problem Brad JS I bank you very very much Bye Bye now Take care Jack Nice meeting you JS You too rR edacrion has been made at be request of tbe witness NON PARTY VR GfUFFR
